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Re: Would YOU ride a train from Istanbul to El Paso?
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [377977/32344/52]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:41, 9th August 2026
 
Russian level crossing protection is brutal - a ramped sector plates that rise out of the roadway and presents its blunt edge to oncoming road traffic.

Hmm. 

Maybe Network Rail could use some of those engineering features in the UK, to resolve many of the level crossing and bridge bash issues we have here?  Would it also take out the 'Darwin Award candidates' from those pedestrians who squirm through / climb over closing level crossing gates? 

CfN. 

'Surveillance pricing'.
In "Fare's Fair" [377976/32345/4]
Posted by Mark A at 16:24, 9th August 2026
 
It's probably good to know that surveillance pricing exists. (I didn't.) Prices for items are not displayed and a system checks what it knows about someone and presents a personalised price for that person - which may take account of e.g. their pain point. It could be argued that dynamic pricing / surge pricing is on the way to this, but for the addition of the personal data aspect. It's easy to think how this could go south & become a 'mare for everyone if it crept in to transport ticketing.

Mark

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveillance_pricing

Re: Pigeons at railway stations causing problems
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377975/32277/51]
Posted by Mark A at 16:05, 9th August 2026
 
How times have changed.

I am old enough to remember when the Min of Ag (then MAFF, now DEFRA) used to pay you for shooting pigeons. I believe the rate was 6d (=2 1/5 p).

I'm old enough to remember when SWR, for marketing purposes, adopted a cartoon pigeon and seagull pair to represent their passengers and I immediately thought 'Ah, so that's what you think of us.'.

Mark

Re: Pigeons at railway stations causing problems
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377974/32277/51]
Posted by Red Squirrel at 14:21, 9th August 2026
 
How times have changed.

I am old enough to remember when the Min of Ag (then MAFF, now DEFRA) used to pay you for shooting pigeons. I believe the rate was 6d (=2 1/5 p).

I am old enough to remember when pigeons were viewed as so cute there was a kids' TV programme about them…

Not just one!

Re: Weymouth line cancellations
In "Heart of Wessex" [377973/32074/19]
Posted by bradshaw at 14:03, 9th August 2026
 
According to RTT just now.

  This service was cancelled between Weymouth and Bristol Temple Meads due to the planned train being replaced with a slower train (MS).

Re: Cornish mainline and branch line delays - ongoing discussion
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [377972/28556/25]
Posted by njt at 14:03, 9th August 2026
 
Last day of Boardmasters at Newquay, so naturally........................

Cancellations to services between Par and Newquay
Due to a broken down train between Par and Newquay fewer trains are able to run.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled.

Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

 

The bid movement out of Newquay will be on Monday morning.  Music goes on till late tonight.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377971/31359/18]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 13:59, 9th August 2026
 
Well you learn something new every day 
Yes, Hitachi AT300 / Class 80x IET (Intercity Express Train) coaches use a few complementary methods to measure carriage occupancy and seat availability:

1. Air Suspension Load Sensors (Mass/Weight Calculation)

The primary method used for overall coach occupancy on the Class 800, 801, and 802 fleets relies on the secondary air suspension levelling system.
  • How it works: Pressure sensors monitor the air pressure required to maintain the carriage floor at platform height as passengers board.
  • The data: By comparing the pressure differential against an empty baseline, the onboard system calculates the total live mass of the coach.
  • Output: This mass is converted into an estimated passenger count (and percentage loading) and is fed to the passenger information displays (PIS) on station platforms and mobile apps (showing green, amber, or red loading icons). This accounts for both seated and standing passengers.

2. Automatic Passenger Counting (APC) Door Sensors

Infrared / optical barrier sensors are mounted above or beside the passenger access doors.
  • How it works: These sensors count bodies breaking the beam as people enter or exit the train at stops.
  • The data: By tracking net inflow and outflow per carriage, it provides immediate, real-time footfall updates to complement the suspension weight data.

I would say it's pretty accurate most of the time.  If you have a sensor failure then it can lead to erroneous readings, but that's not too common.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377970/31359/18]
Posted by JohnM at 13:42, 9th August 2026
 
Well you learn something new every day 
Yes, Hitachi AT300 / Class 80x IET coaches use a few complementary methods to measure carriage occupancy and seat availability:

1. Air Suspension Load Sensors (Mass/Weight Calculation)

The primary method used for overall coach occupancy on the Class 800, 801, and 802 fleets relies on the secondary air suspension levelling system.
  • How it works: Pressure sensors monitor the air pressure required to maintain the carriage floor at platform height as passengers board.
  • The data: By comparing the pressure differential against an empty baseline, the onboard system calculates the total live mass of the coach.
  • Output: This mass is converted into an estimated passenger count (and percentage loading) and is fed to the passenger information displays (PIS) on station platforms and mobile apps (showing green, amber, or red loading icons). This accounts for both seated and standing passengers.

2. Automatic Passenger Counting (APC) Door Sensors

Infrared / optical barrier sensors are mounted above or beside the passenger access doors.
  • How it works: These sensors count bodies breaking the beam as people enter or exit the train at stops.
  • The data: By tracking net inflow and outflow per carriage, it provides immediate, real-time footfall updates to complement the suspension weight data.

Re: 15th August 2026 - Buses to Imber, Wiltshire
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [377969/29807/5]
Posted by rogerw at 13:15, 9th August 2026
Already liked by grahame
 
Just to bump this up. A reminder that this year's event is this coming Saturday, 15th August

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377968/31359/18]
Posted by bobm at 12:29, 9th August 2026
 
It’s data available from IETs derived from sensors on the coaches. 

Re: Weymouth line cancellations
In "Heart of Wessex" [377967/32074/19]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 12:07, 9th August 2026
 
Staffed from 06:00 though the first train appears to be that one for Cardiff at eight.

Our hypothetical passenger for Aberdeen, if given a chit with an easement to vary their route, could travel on the next departure, the 08:45 for Waterloo and a relaxed connection into the 13:42 to Aberdeen from Kings Cross - this would get them into Aberdeen only half an hour or so after their original connecting service from Bristol.

(If their destination was Shetland, they'd have already been planning for a night and a day in Aberdeen as the ferry leaves at varying times between five and seven pm depending on the day, so, from Weymouth, that would need to be a weekday trip, via London - and with one of Graham's 'Plan 'b's in the back pocket.)

Mark

Basically then, it's chit or bust?

Re: Would YOU ride a train from Istanbul to El Paso?
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [377966/32344/52]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 11:57, 9th August 2026
 
Have done Khabarovsk - Vladivostok on an overnight train. Interesting journey. Russian level crossing protection is brutal - a ramped sector plates that rise out of the roadway and presents its blunt edge to oncoming road traffic.

Re: Weymouth line cancellations
In "Heart of Wessex" [377965/32074/19]
Posted by Mark A at 11:34, 9th August 2026
 
Staffed from 06:00 though the first train appears to be that one for Cardiff at eight.

Our hypothetical passenger for Aberdeen, if given a chit with an easement to vary their route, could travel on the next departure, the 08:45 for Waterloo and a relaxed connection into the 13:42 to Aberdeen from Kings Cross - this would get them into Aberdeen only half an hour or so after their original connecting service from Bristol.

(If their destination was Shetland, they'd have already been planning for a night and a day in Aberdeen as the ferry leaves at varying times between five and seven pm depending on the day, so, from Weymouth, that would need to be a weekday trip, via London - and with one of Graham's 'Plan 'b's in the back pocket.)

Mark

Re: Weymouth line cancellations
In "Heart of Wessex" [377964/32074/19]
Posted by Mark A at 11:14, 9th August 2026
 
Answer: staffed on Sunday from 06:00 to 00:45. (Source: National Rail).

Mark

https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/stations/weymouth/

Re: Weymouth line cancellations
In "Heart of Wessex" [377963/32074/19]
Posted by Mark A at 11:11, 9th August 2026
 
Have some anyway, and tbh, at 8am on a Sunday, is Weymouth staffed?

Mark

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377962/31359/18]
Posted by JohnM at 11:00, 9th August 2026
 
Is that based on seat bookings, or actual 'live' occupancy?

Re: Weymouth line cancellations
In "Heart of Wessex" [377961/32074/19]
Posted by ChrisB at 10:26, 9th August 2026
Already liked by TaplowGreen
 
Cwertainly gone over my head.....do I need more coffee?

Re: Weymouth line cancellations
In "Heart of Wessex" [377960/32074/19]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 10:24, 9th August 2026
 
I'd be straight on to the help point in that case....and then the phone

I'd read that last comment again, perhaps out loud to yourself before doing so.

(Apologies for the overhead shot!) 

Re: If you are rail staff, can you rely on the train to get to work?
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [377959/32343/5]
Posted by Electric train at 10:09, 9th August 2026
 
I relied on National Rail and TfL to get me to work for the vast majority of my 50 years working on the UK National Railway system.

The challenge for train crew is I am guessing are the booking on and booking off times, I worked most of my career working normal week day shifts.

However in the days when I was "on the clock" when I started in the 1970's if my train was late I was late clocking in I docked pay, it was always in the contract of employment that it was my responsibility to get to work on time; so nothing new in what London Northwestern Railway and West Midlands Railway are stating

Re: Weymouth line cancellations
In "Heart of Wessex" [377958/32074/19]
Posted by ChrisB at 09:48, 9th August 2026
 
I'd be straight on to the help point in that case....and then the phone

Re: Weymouth line cancellations
In "Heart of Wessex" [377957/32074/19]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 09:46, 9th August 2026
 
Realtimetrains doesn't flag it as cancelled but on the other hand doesn't indicate that it ran...

The following train out of Weymouth via Westbury being the 10:38 in the direction of Swindon. The fate of the people (if any) who intended to catch the 8:01 will probably never be known... but if anyone was heading for the generous connection into the Aberdeen train at Bristol I hope that Weymouth staff gave them a chit and popped them on to something heading up to London...

Mark

Unfortunately I have heard that an individual approached staff at Weymouth with precisely that scenario but was told that they couldn't give a chit....................

Re: Cornish mainline and branch line delays - ongoing discussion
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [377956/28556/25]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 09:35, 9th August 2026
 
Last day of Boardmasters at Newquay, so naturally........................

Cancellations to services between Par and Newquay
Due to a broken down train between Par and Newquay fewer trains are able to run.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled.

Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

 

Re: Weymouth line cancellations
In "Heart of Wessex" [377955/32074/19]
Posted by Mark A at 09:32, 9th August 2026
 
Realtimetrains doesn't flag it as cancelled but on the other hand doesn't indicate that it ran...

The following train out of Weymouth via Westbury being the 10:38 in the direction of Swindon. The fate of the people (if any) who intended to catch the 8:01 will probably never be known... but if anyone was heading for the generous connection into the Aberdeen train at Bristol I hope that Weymouth staff gave them a chit and popped them on to something heading up to London...

Mark

Re: Bristol Airport - proposals for expansion, bus services and infrastructure - ongoing discussion
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [377954/22894/5]
Posted by grahame at 09:06, 9th August 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
I have to say Graham, you're not selling that one very well! 

Agreed! But best to give the whole honest flavour.  We treat timetables and reservations as estimates rather than firm quotations and typically have a "Plan B" - even if only as a vague idea.   Got caught out just once in the last 3 months and even then got something sorted on the fly.    Still prefer land / sea based to flying, and journeys that are less likely to result in being in queues like the one in the photo and overnight delays and very long distance buses!

Re: If you are rail staff, can you rely on the train to get to work?
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [377953/32343/5]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 08:57, 9th August 2026
 
The same for all heavy goods and bus drivers!

Shifts starting 04h30 and ending 01h30 (not one continuous one!).
Bus-wise, you have a bit of paperwork to do, plus paying in your cash, etc.
Then several minutes chat about your shift with the few who also finish late.

And a lot of people in the night-time economy too.

Re: Not just trains that suffer due to infrastructure issues
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [377952/32336/5]
Posted by GBM at 08:56, 9th August 2026
 
Hmmm.   I can only claim, in mitigation, that Coffee Shop member LiskeardRich provoked me into posting this here:

I have posted this before, here on the Coffee Shop forum, but it's a light-hearted spoof advert for Ryanair, from YouTube, at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp4yczeiXwY

Watch until the end of the 70 seconds clip: it rather seems to sum it all up quite neatly. 

(With my apologies to any possibly younger readers here for the one sweary word).

CfN. 

Forgotten I'd seen it before.  Brilliant!



Edite note: Quote marks fixed. CfN.

Re: If you are rail staff, can you rely on the train to get to work?
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [377951/32343/5]
Posted by GBM at 08:47, 9th August 2026
 
The same for all heavy goods and bus drivers!

Shifts starting 04h30 and ending 01h30 (not one continuous one!).
Bus-wise, you have a bit of paperwork to do, plus paying in your cash, etc.
Then several minutes chat about your shift with the few who also finish late.

Re: Pigeons at railway stations causing problems
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377950/32277/51]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 08:44, 9th August 2026
 
How times have changed.

I am old enough to remember when the Min of Ag (then MAFF, now DEFRA) used to pay you for shooting pigeons. I believe the rate was 6d (=2 1/5 p).

I am old enough to remember when pigeons were viewed as so cute there was a kids' TV programme about them…
I'd long forgotten that programme!

No, that was "Magpie" 

Re: Bristol Airport - proposals for expansion, bus services and infrastructure - ongoing discussion
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [377949/22894/5]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 08:41, 9th August 2026
 
A minor up side (for the airport) is that the charge to access the place is that high, will they possibly make a little money from people coming and going as a result of the disruption.

Mark


For sure, 5 hours late into Aachen on Tuesday and that standing on a bus, and then an earlier departure from there - before seven rather than after 8 the following day, followed by a 15 minute connection that failed at Chippenham Station into the only daily bus from there to our road in Melksham, but there are usually solutions that are not as bad as the airport scenes seen.

I have to say Graham, you're not selling that one very well! 

Would YOU ride a train from Istanbul to El Paso?
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [377948/32344/52]
Posted by grahame at 08:29, 9th August 2026
 
From my timeline



Saw this one and thought of you immediately. Two questions
1 - Would you ride this line?
2 - What's the biggest challenge facing building something like this today? I'm open to both geopolitical challenges and/or technology challenges.

Interesting questions. New railways covering extreme places are not unheard of -

The Ghan from Adelaide all the way through to Darwin, final section opened on Febraury 1st 2004.

The high-altitude Qinghai–Tibet railway, also known as the Sky Train, runs from the city of Xining in Qinghai Province to Lhasa, Tibet, and takes around 20 hours, final section opened 1st July 2006.

Rail Baltica is an under-construction rail infrastructure project that is intended to integrate the Baltic states in the European rail network (Tallinn to Warsaw)

In 20 years, I have not ridden / been tempted to go as a tourist on the Sky Train or The Ghan (nor have I looked seriously at heading from St Petersburg to Vladivistok or Bejing, nor the Indian Pacific nor the Californian Zephr, Empire Builder or The Canadian). So unlikely to look to be an early rider on "rail acrose the roof of the world"

With a political will, and that would be a very changed world indeed from today, I would not rule it out. But it would need that political will, and depending on the strength of that will a business case as to who would be paying for / supporting its services. Technology across the Bering straight could, I'm sure, be solved though at a price and you might end up with a ferry - as per Van to Tatvan, Tallinn to Helsinki, or even Villa San Giovanni to Messina though that latter is proposed for a fixed link as has happened with the English Channel.

Personally, I suspect my lack of enthusiasm to try out these ultra-long routes is my lack of wanting to be in the same train all that time - curious because I have been quite happy up to 11 days without port calls on a cruise liner. And, yes, I know that passenger trains on The Ghan, for example, stop for tourist breaks and are rather like a land cruise.  Give me - I suppose - something that's slightly more like and less alien from my home-travel;  I probabaly would / will travel on Rail Baltica if still around, and indeed I have already travelled from Warsaw to Tallinn on the local trains through each of the countries, and been back with Lisa too.

 
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