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Re: Andy Burnham elected to parliament, with a strong transport reputation
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [376448/32149/40]
Posted by REVUpminster at 15:09, 25th June 2026
 
Andy Burnham's coup, if he succeeds, isn't without precedent. When labour came to power in London in May 1981 there was an overnight coup and Ken Livingston became mayor. It herald more than 30 years of transport policy when successive mayors, tory and labour, gave pensioners more and more to become the envy of everyone else. In Torbay it is still Buses only from 0930hrs Mon-Fri.

Re: "Cancellations on all routes" 24-26 June 2026
In "Across the West" [376447/32162/26]
Posted by REVUpminster at 14:47, 25th June 2026
 
I remember a few years ago 143s and 150s had bottled water on board so the guard could give to passengers. A lot of it was stored at Paignton.

Re: Cancellations to services between Bournemouth & Southampton Central - ongoing incidents
In "South Western services" [376446/30445/42]
Posted by MVR S&T at 13:44, 25th June 2026
 
Due to a signalling problem between Ashurst New Forest and Brockenhurst trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards Brockenhurst.
What's Going On:
Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 10 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 20:00 25/06.

Re: Weather updates from across the UK and implications for infrastructure - 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376445/31355/51]
Posted by JohnM at 13:38, 25th June 2026
 
This appeared on X, attributed to "By Mike Jeffries via Facebook - This evening’s thunderstorm approaching Glastonbury." without a link to his Facebook. But its a stunning photo.
I don't have a Facebook account but can still see his pics; lots of Glastonbury Tor, and some Bath ones as well if you go back a bit:
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1306987118274342

EDIT: well I could see loads of pictures initially, but when I checked the link in my post it only let me see a few before forcing me to login. So probably best if you have an account.

Re: Weather updates from across the UK and implications for infrastructure - 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376444/31355/51]
Posted by JohnM at 13:12, 25th June 2026
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There's a Met Office yellow warning for thunderstorms Friday 00:00 to 10:00 covering quite a lot of the south west.
https://weather.metoffice.gov.uk/warnings-and-advice/uk-warnings#?date=2026-06-26&id=3aea87c4-1219-43f4-b22e-88ea06d9935b

Re: Hotel etiquette
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [376443/32164/31]
Posted by Clan Line at 12:57, 25th June 2026
 
Calling hotel staff by name?  Positively creepy, and puts me in mind of TV/radio news where presenter and reporter feel the need to repeat each others' names, or an overenthusiastic estate agent or car sales person.

..................and politicians !

Re: "Cancellations on all routes" 24-26 June 2026
In "Across the West" [376442/32162/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 12:47, 25th June 2026
 
Given that a red warning has now been issued for tomorrow (Friday), it's reasonable to assume that the current level of hundreds of cancellations/alterations will continue.

Have mentioned this elsewhere, but it's worth noting that a lot of the "more trains than usual needing repair" excuse would appear to be due to insufficient aircon in drivers' cabs.


Re: Hotel etiquette
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [376441/32164/31]
Posted by Ralph Ayres at 12:20, 25th June 2026
 
Calling hotel staff by name?  Positively creepy, and puts me in mind of TV/radio news where presenter and reporter feel the need to repeat each others' names, or an overenthusiastic estate agent or car sales person. I wouldn't do it in any other conversation.

Don't think I'd be comfortable staying at a hotel so posh that phoning reception to get my luggage carried when leaving is normal, unless I actually couldn't manage it myself for some reason.

I have a lifetime's supply (at least!) of free mini-toiletries thanks to my parents who always took them on principle even if they didn't need them. Unless I'm travelling very light I therefore tend to take some with me so I can leave unopened any small complimentary stuff supplied by the hotel to be used for the next guest.

Re: Hotel etiquette
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [376440/32164/31]
Posted by bobm at 12:17, 25th June 2026
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Is it only men who do this?   Asking for a friend. 

Re: Weather updates from across the UK and implications for infrastructure - 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376439/31355/51]
Posted by ChrisB at 12:08, 25th June 2026
Already liked by Mark A, GBM, PrestburyRoad
 
This appeared on X, attributed to "By Mike Jeffries via Facebook - This evening’s thunderstorm approaching Glastonbury." without a link to his Facebook. But its a stunning photo.


Re: "Cancellations on all routes" 24-26 June 2026
In "Across the West" [376438/32162/26]
Posted by Mark A at 12:00, 25th June 2026
 
Ouch. Also, I've not really recovered from seeing Anthropic's logo yet.

Mark

Re: Hotel etiquette
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [376437/32164/31]
Posted by johnneyw at 11:59, 25th June 2026
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Should you walk around in the public areas with bare feet?  In your jammies? In your Birthday suite? 

I was recently staying in an upmarket hotel by the Thames on the outskirts of London for a conference.   Apparently during the night someone got up for the loo and took a wrong turn and ended up locking themselves out of their room while naked.

He then had to make his way down two floors to reception to get assistance.

The bit I didn't understand was - he told everyone the next morning

This reminded me of an experience that my late brother recalled to us on his return from a short driving tour in Spain when he stopped at a small roadside hotel for the night some years back.  After an evening meal and (he assured us) just a small beer, he felt quite weary and had himself an early night.
The next thing he knew, he found himself waking up having sleep walked, stark naked, two floors down in the laundry room of the hotel at silly o'clock in the morning with a rather unamused night porter glowering and him.
He checked out quite early that morning.

Re: Musings from Italy ...
In "Introductions and chat" [376436/32165/1]
Posted by Mark A at 11:36, 25th June 2026
 
The second page explains my puzzlement when you said you'd passed through Catanzero station, as, there it is, on the line passing some distance east of the station and close to the University.

The satellite view shows the *new* and under construction line connecting Catanzero station, the University and the city - not at all straightforward though it must have been some time in the planning as the road system makes some passive provision for it.

'Catanzero-style', the new route involves a substantial tunnel and viaduct and it's not unreasonable to compare and contrast with the amount of sucking of teeth that happens when, say, thoughts occur of the much needed line north of Dartmoor and its requirement for a new route and viaduct close to the Meldon structures.

Mark

Re: "Cancellations on all routes" 24-26 June 2026
In "Across the West" [376435/32162/26]
Posted by JohnM at 11:22, 25th June 2026
 
I could/should have worked from home today, but I had to do that for the other 2 days I was supposed to be in the office this week (not due to weather), so felt I should show my face.

...and then went on the forum.   
What else am I supposed to do now that AI is doing all my work for me?

Seriously, I used to spend 99% of my time writing/reviewing code. Since my employer gave me my Claude Code (Anthropic) license a month or 2 ago I haven't written a single line of code, and Claude does the reviews (of its own work!) as well.

So I'll probably be spending a lot more time on the forum before long...

Re: Musings from Italy ...
In "Introductions and chat" [376434/32165/1]
Posted by Mark A at 11:15, 25th June 2026
 
Here we are, the complete line, and another page on developments for Catanzero itself. From Wikipedia (in Italian).

Mark


https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrovia_Cosenza-Catanzaro_Lido


https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servizio_ferroviario_metropolitano_di_Catanzaro

Re: "Cancellations on all routes" 24-26 June 2026
In "Across the West" [376433/32162/26]
Posted by bobm at 11:12, 25th June 2026
 
I could/should have worked from home today, but I had to do that for the other 2 days I was supposed to be in the office this week (not due to weather), so felt I should show my face.

...and then went on the forum.   

Re: Weather updates from across the UK and implications for infrastructure - 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376431/31355/51]
Posted by froome at 11:09, 25th June 2026
 
Puzzled by today's weather as the possibility of that downpour seems to have been missed by the forecasts. The satellite imagery of it shows that once it reached Bristol(ish) the cloud top expanded into a roughly circular patch covering a lot of south east England. It's the sort of event of which organisations much prefer to have advanced warning, perhaps the paid-for forecasts provided to and paid for by the likes of the railway included it.

Mark
The Met Office high resolution model UKV did show some potential for thunderstorms but the global models didn't have a sniff of them. Models specifically designed for thunderstorm potential also did reasonably well although those in the South East ended up a bit further north.

The thunderstorm that hit Bath on Monday was more than just your everyday thunderstorm. In the space of just a few minutes, daylight seemed to have been replaced with darkness, and the torrential rain was accompanied by very sudden and violent gusts of wind. I read later that tornadoes had been seen in Devon and Somerset, and I wouldn't be surprised if what we had here was a tornado. With Bath's long steep hills, many roads at the foot of these suddenly found themselves being turned into lakes, and some suffered quite a bit of damage (a friend of mine witnessed Prior Park Road being broken up in front of her).

These sort of events are what we are going to have to get used to with the fast changing climate.

Re: Hotel etiquette
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [376430/32164/31]
Posted by bobm at 11:09, 25th June 2026
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Should you walk around in the public areas with bare feet?  In your jammies? In your Birthday suite? 

I was recently staying in an upmarket hotel by the Thames on the outskirts of London for a conference.   Apparently during the night someone got up for the loo and took a wrong turn and ended up locking themselves out of their room while naked.

He then had to make his way down two floors to reception to get assistance.

The bit I didn't understand was - he told everyone the next morning!

Re: "Cancellations on all routes" 24-26 June 2026
In "Across the West" [376429/32162/26]
Posted by REVUpminster at 11:01, 25th June 2026
 
Only one train for Newquay (not a 175) and one on Falmouth and Okehampton, none on Looe. It has had the benefit of more 150's on  Paignton- Exmouth.

Re: Hotel etiquette
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [376428/32164/31]
Posted by grahame at 10:49, 25th June 2026
 
Don't get me going (today - I've not got time!) on hotel design. Interesting topic having done it, and learned from the experience.   

The article was more about guest behaviour.   Should you scoop up the freebies?  Should you take the towels home with you?  Should you notify the hotel of your expected arrival time?  What should you do with your rubbish?  Should you ignore staff, chat with them, ignore them?   Should you walk around in the public areas with bare feet?  In your jammies? In your Birthday suite?  If something's wrong, what should you do?

Re: Musings from Italy ...
In "Introductions and chat" [376427/32165/1]
Posted by Mark A at 10:45, 25th June 2026
 
Ah, thanks, that explains it. (I also chased that narrow gauge line serving Catanzaro across Google's satellite view - it turned out to be a mistake to follow it to its terminus as every time I thought I'd found the last station on the thing, it turned out that the line left the station site in a tunnel and what I thought was a headshunt was not...)

Again, Catanzaro from the sky looks like a grand laboratory for transport schemes - from the 'Halifax on drugs' road viaducts to the recently built but out of use funiculars, 'Ebbw Vale on speed' that defy anyone to find an end point - or comprehend the strange structures that link the foot of the funicular to the site of the (out of use) station, and then, the impossible-to-follow narrow gauge line. I thought at first it was surely out of use and fading away, but it now appears that in 2025 various parts were under heavy repair. Anyway, timetables on the link below.

Mark

https://web.ferroviedellacalabria.it/orari-dei-trasporti/

Help Protect The Wilts & Berks Canal at Chippenham
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [376426/32169/47]
Posted by JohnM at 09:56, 25th June 2026
Already liked by Mark A, Clan Line
 
Email from the Wilts & Berks Canal Trust https://wbct.org.uk/
As you may have seen or heard, developers (Gleeson-Gallagher) are looking to build around 1200 houses on land to the north and north-west of Pewsham Locks. The Trust is always neutral on these matters, however we do look to protect our interests i.e. the protection of the original canal line and the restoration of the canal.

The developers have produced a brochure with a Masterplan outlining the area of proposed development; where they talk about Biodiversity and Sustainability and Nature however not once do they mention The Wilts & Berks Canal, despite the fact that the line of the canal runs across part of the development!

The consultation document can be found at https://www.pewshamchippenham.co.uk/

They are asking for feedback and The Trust, and myself, would appreciate it if you could take a few minutes to complete this, stating that if the development does go ahead then the canal should be included in their development plan. Some of the things you may consider are:
  • Preserving Local heritage.
  • Boosting tourism and the local economy
  • Creating recreational opportunities and improving health and wellbeing e.g. walking and cycling routes, boating opportunities, nature observations
  • Supporting Wildlife and Biodiversity: Canals can act as wildlife corridors, linking habitats and providing homes for birds, insects, fish and aquatic plants. Restoration plans include biodiversity management and aim for habitat enhancement and biodiversity net gain.
  • Flood Risk management. The restored canal will play a functional role in sustainable drainage and flood attenuation within the development, forming part of a wider integrated water management strategy.
  • Educational Benefits: The canal provides opportunities for learning about Local History, Industrial Archaeology, Engineering, Environmental Science, Conservation.
  • Community Pride and Volunteering:  The restoration project has involved hundreds of volunteers over many years. Continued restoration strengthens community involvement, develops practical skills and gives residents a shared goal that improves the local area. Recent work at Pewsham Locks demonstrates the commitment of local volunteers.
The feedback form can be found at the ‘Next Stages and Feedback’ tab at the above link. Deadline for feedback is 28th June.

Thank You.

Howard Wilson (Melksham, Calne and Chippenham Branch Chairman)

Re: Hotel etiquette
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [376425/32164/31]
Posted by broadgage at 09:51, 25th June 2026
 
Stayed in many Travelodge hotels over the years,so these are my comments.



When hotels are being built and fitted out,13 amp plug sockets should be fitted to an outside wall,which reduces the "smack" from those 13 amp plugs next door.
Don't like carpets in the rooms,it can stink of literally any thing

If you are staying for a long time,how often should you have the sheets changed? how often do you change your sheets at home.

Do you change your towels at home every day

.

13 amp sockets are often installed on the party wall separating rooms because it is cheaper, the same cable can serve outlets on both sides of the wall.
I change sheets once a week at home, and would expect the same in an hotel. In all but the very cheapest hotels sheets should be white, 100% cotton, and generously sized. NOT containing ANY poly-anything.
No i do not change towels every day at home.

Re: SWR timetable consultation - a suggestion
In "Portsmouth to Cardiff" [376424/32168/20]
Posted by Mark A at 09:49, 25th June 2026
 
The Grand Central Waterloo-Bristol rumour's now the subject of an article in Rail magazine. (Subscription required).

Mark

https://www.railmagazine.com/news/grand-central-planning-new-london-routes-from-manchester-and-bristol

Re: SWR timetable consultation - a suggestion
In "Portsmouth to Cardiff" [376423/32168/20]
Posted by grahame at 09:26, 25th June 2026
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This one did not fit neatly into any of our line boards - which rather confirms that it would be a useful new service.

There's. a photocall from our MP (Brian Mathew) and the mayor of Bradford-on-Avon (Sam Blackwell) who asks

We wondered whether you (and any other WWRUG members) would be willing and available to meet with Brian and me on Saturday morning (11.30?) at the railway station for a photo?

SWR timetable consultation - a suggestion
In "Portsmouth to Cardiff" [376422/32168/20]
Posted by grahame at 09:17, 25th June 2026
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South Western Railway (Or is that now Great British Railways | South Western) are re-doing their whole timetable for December 2027 and are looking for inputs from knowledgable parties (Stakeholders) to help inform them.

1. One of their (SWR / GBR|SW) current services runs from Salisbury to Waterloo Station in London, with calls / onward connections at Clapham Junction, Waterloo and Woking for trains to destinations in South London, Kent, Surrey and East Sussex

2. Great Western Railway (to become Great British Railways | Great Western in December) now run services on the "Bristol Metro" from Bristol as far as Salisbury, serving Bristol, Keynsham, Oldfield Park, Bath Spa, Freshford, Avoncliff, Bradford-on-Avon, Trowbridge, Westbury, Dilton Marsh, and Warminster along the way.

3. The SWR services are run using class 158 (and 159) trains, and the GWR services often are class 158 - they are run from a pool of class 158, 165 and 166 trains. SWR terminate in Salisbury's platforms from the east, and GWR services terminate - often at the same platforms - from the West.

4. My "Rumour Mill" suggests that Grand Central (an Arriva owned Open Access operator) have applied for rights to run a Waterloo, Salisbury, Warminster, Westbury, Trowbridge, Bradford on Avon, Bath Spa, Bristol Temple Meads service.  Which rather confirms a view in the industry that there is a demand for such a service worth backing up by serious investment, and that (under Open Access license terms) it is not "primarily abstractive" of traffic of other services, and that there is capacity for it.

5. The distance between London Waterloo and London Paddington where current Bristol and Bath to London services go is about 4 miles (6.4 km), putting them into different walking and cycling catchments.  London is a huge city and onward public transport from both is good, but underground and bus are daunting / difficult for many occasional passengers.

6. Suggestion - why not join up the Bristol -> Salisbury and the Salisbury -> Waterloo service from December 2027? Trains arriving in Salisbury from the west already join on to extra carriages before they continue to London, and 2 or 3 carriage trains of class 158/159 from Bristol (there are already a couple from Westbury) could do that, up as far as 8 or 9 carriage trains onwards

*** To be noted amongst the major benefits:
* A whole raft of popular new / restored service for which there is significant identified demand.
* Economic benefit of through London services from Keynsham, Oldfield Park, Bradford-on-Avon, Trowbridge and Dilton Marsh
* Operational improvement - efficiency at Salisbury
* An easy early win for Great British Railways

*** Previous services along the length of this corridor

Through services on this route ran preCovid and I summarised why they should remain - to no immediate avail - documented at https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/16-reasons-continue-through-trains-london-graham-ellis/ and http://waterloo.savethetrain.org.uk (link is an old one - http not https!). Here are some updated / comments on issues at the time

* We had two operators under commercial contract from Bristol and Bath to London, and our dominant operator to Paddington wanted rid of the competition which undercut them, all be it with a less frequent and slower service.  They would now be complementary services

* As SWR and GWR were separate organisations, each needed their own drivers and route knowledge for the Bristol service for SWR crews was hard and expensive to maintain.  Under GBR, all staff are under the same banner and would be changed along the way.

* Train paths were being cleared for MetroWest between Bristol and Bath (Bathampton). Fair enough - those paths have been taken up by the MetroWest service which is the very service we are asking to link on to Waterloo. No problem any more

* HMG were looking to save money by thinning out services in the postCovid era.  But we are back up to 1.83 billion journeys a year (to March 2026) versus 0.99 billion journeys which was the latest data when the previous service was cut.  The strongest regrowth, you will note, is in the occasional traveller / leisure / personal business (such as students to/from Uni) markets which are the very market that this service will address.

Re: Two East Midlands Railway trains collide near Bedford, 19th June 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376421/32151/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 09:11, 25th June 2026
 
From the BBC:

Council sorry for parking fines after train crash

A council has apologised after drivers were fined for not moving their vehicles from a station car park after a fatal train crash.

Passengers were left stranded after two trains collided near Bedford on Friday, leaving a 60-year-old train driver dead and more than 100 people injured.

Some passengers were unable to return to their cars parked at Bedford railway station, but when they finally did they found fixed penalty notices stuck to their windscreens.

A Bedford Borough Council spokesperson said: "We are aware of this matter and apologise for any incorrect tickets issued."

One man posted a picture on social media of a fixed penalty notice on his windscreen in the station car park, adding to the council: "Really? Why are you issuing parking tickets to cars at Bedford train station after yesterday's major incident? Police were telling people NOT to go to the station! How were we supposed to collect our cars? Or extend parking?"

He said the penalised vehicles were in a car park adjacent to the station in Ashburnham Road and it was managed by the council, not a private company. He added his paid parking expired at midnight after Friday's crash and a ticket was issued to him at 09:00 on Saturday.

The man had earlier been evacuated from a train on the Bedford line behind the crash site. He also filmed his neighbours and his partner throwing bottles of water and snacks to stranded passengers from a road next to the railway, saying this was "humanity at its best".

The council added it had "already taken corrective action" and asked anyone who still needed a ticket rescinded to email.

(BBC article continues)


Re: "Cancellations on all routes" 24-26 June 2026
In "Across the West" [376420/32162/26]
Posted by JohnM at 08:55, 25th June 2026
Already liked by grahame, GBM, Mark A
 
Pretty bad day for anyone needing to (rather than choosing to) travel
Melksham-Bristol commute not too bad - the Plan A 05:11 Gloucester-Southampton (to Trowbridge) was cancelled (train fault), but the plan B 06:35 Salisbury-Worcester (to Chippenham) was ok.

Then the 06:28 Paddington-Weston was delayed by 23 mins at Chippenham (speed restriction), but the official connection of the 07:00 Oxford-Bristol was only a minute late (07:48) so got to the office on time (for plan B).

I could claim for the plan A cancellation but not going to bother. I could/should have worked from home today, but I had to do that for the other 2 days I was supposed to be in the office this week (not due to weather), so felt I should show my face.

Re: "Cancellations on all routes" 24-26 June 2026
In "Across the West" [376419/32162/26]
Posted by John D at 08:13, 25th June 2026
 
Pretty bad day for anyone needing to (rather than choosing to) travel

Graphic on front page currently has
Cancelled 225
Part route 97

Rare to be over 300

 
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