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Re: Corsham Station reopening
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [378686/226/28]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 12:12, 25th August 2026
 
What service pattern is there that could call there?

Re: Gatwick Airport - facilities, improvements and incidents - merged posts, ongoing discussion
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [378685/20849/5]
Posted by grahame at 11:30, 25th August 2026
 
At least it's only at one airport - Gatwick - and other other airports don't see criminal behaviour in connection with parking services.

Not so sure, Mark - I have seen negative comment about some of the lower cost parking offers at Bristol Airport, for example, though I am not in a position to say whether that extends to "criminal behaviour" issues.   We have some issues in this country with security of transport vehicles left unattended - I can pick up a number of heritage railways subjected to mindless vandalism, a bus depot or two, and tagging of vehicles that are parked up.   That is not to suggest any criminal behaviour from operators / rather than they may have priced their offering down so that they don't always provide robust protection against it.

Re: Article: 'What's wrong with an empty bus'
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [378684/32404/51]
Posted by GBM at 11:29, 25th August 2026
 
An empty bus makes an extremely happy driver!

And if seen on a permanent basis all the time on a diagram leads to an unemployed one!
I believe there is a national shortage of PCV and HGV drivers!
Our only empty ones were generally the very early morning and late evening ones on subsidised routes.

Re: Gatwick Airport - facilities, improvements and incidents - merged posts, ongoing discussion
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [378683/20849/5]
Posted by GBM at 11:27, 25th August 2026
 
At least it's only at one airport - Gatwick - and other other airports don't see criminal behaviour in connection with parking services.
Wasn't there a very recent topic (from the BBC) about Stansted Airport rogue parking cowboys?

Ah yes -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn8ngxw5195o

(Modified to find said topic)

Gartell light railway to close
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [378682/32409/47]
Posted by Mark A at 10:46, 25th August 2026
 
2026 will be the last year it runs.

https://newglr.weebly.com/

Sheffield Supertram: mineshaft beneath track
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [378681/32408/51]
Posted by Mark A at 10:41, 25th August 2026

Re: Gatwick Airport - facilities, improvements and incidents - merged posts, ongoing discussion
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [378680/20849/5]
Posted by Mark A at 10:14, 25th August 2026
 
At least it's only at one airport - Gatwick - and other other airports don't see criminal behaviour in connection with parking services.

Re: Westbury -> Warminster -> Salisbury -> Waterloo through train not running
In "South Western services" [378679/32407/42]
Posted by Mark A at 10:09, 25th August 2026
 
Thanks for this - I head for that train occasionally as it's less disruptive to change trains close to the start of a trip rather than in the middle, and sometimes had good availability of advance fares. That's another I'll strike off the list. :-(

Westbury -> Warminster -> Salisbury -> Waterloo through train not running
In "South Western services" [378678/32407/42]
Posted by grahame at 09:36, 25th August 2026
 
South Western Railways are not running the 07:42 through service from Westbury (07:50 from Warminster) to London (Waterloo) at the moment.  The train still runs as far as Salisbury but it's terminating there at 08:11 and another train leaves at 08:15 for London.  The connection is too tight to be "official" and so the journey planners do't offer it ... the journey is possible via Salibury, officially, by leaving Westbury 45 minutes earlier or leaving  Salisbury 30 minutes later.

Research suggests that the train via Warminster is terminating at Salisbury because the train that it used to couple up with via Gillingham now starts back at Exeter and is longer (temporary WoE timetable), and that the loss of the through morning train from some West Wilts stations to Waterloo is a consequence - same number of carriages as before into Waterloo.

I am open to opinions as to whether this change is an unplanned side effect of the temporary timetable, or if it was appreciated that the connection / travel opportunity even with a change was being withdrawn by SWR when they drew up the temporary timetable.

Re: Gatwick Airport - facilities, improvements and incidents - merged posts, ongoing discussion
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [378677/20849/5]
Posted by ChrisB at 09:02, 25th August 2026
 
Would they kick out an airline who fly perfectly legally but whose customer service is sh1t?

I think not.....caveat emptor, surely?

Re: Article: 'What's wrong with an empty bus'
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [378676/32404/51]
Posted by Mark A at 09:01, 25th August 2026
 
Ah, it's the diagram that ends up unemployed: the bus can up sticks.

Re: Article: 'What's wrong with an empty bus'
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [378675/32404/51]
Posted by grahame at 08:48, 25th August 2026
 
An empty bus makes an extremely happy driver!

And if seen on a permanent basis all the time on a diagram leads to an unemployed one!

Re: UK population exceeds 60 million - BBC report, 24th August 2006
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [378674/32402/28]
Posted by grahame at 08:47, 25th August 2026
Already liked by GBM
 

I wonder how many/what % of that number in 1966 were UK born, compared to today's figure.

Why's that matter?

I think the demographics are as of much interest as the headline numbers,  to help understand how society has changed.

Indeed - though we need to be very careful about which demographics we look at and how we see them in balance.

Personal declaration (and extrapolating from that) - I was born in England, my wife was born on a different continent, and I'm not sure that makes any significant difference to us / our travel habits at a "micro" level.   but ...
1. There used to be another travel element - far more longer distance journeys to Lisa's home country.
2. There's also the element that she moved here without an inherited / upbringing in the UK which leads to a lack of immediate local resources onto which to build a new life, and that can effect where people live for many years forward.
3. It requires a bravery (or deparateness in other cases) to move intercontinental, and that in itself brings about a different balance of people.

Re: Article: 'What's wrong with an empty bus'
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [378673/32404/51]
Posted by GBM at 08:40, 25th August 2026
 
An empty bus makes an extremely happy driver!

Re: Gatwick Airport - facilities, improvements and incidents - merged posts, ongoing discussion
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [378672/20849/5]
Posted by Mark A at 22:55, 24th August 2026
 
Sequential articles from the BBC. "...rogue airport parking firms."

Caveat emptor and all that but even so...

Are the airport authorities a bit complacent about this, seeing that their premises has hosted one end of this operation for at least three years? For a start could they work to expel any operation that's not Parkmark-accredited?

2024: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c72pd5ezyz5o

2025: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgq9j19w7wwo

Re: Gatwick Airport - facilities, improvements and incidents - merged posts, ongoing discussion
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [378671/20849/5]
Posted by Mark A at 22:21, 24th August 2026
 
Trustpilot reviews. People of a nervous disposition may prefer not to read them.

The site's buried in a clearing in a laurel-infested wood east of Crawley - for good measure quite close to the old Crawley - East Grinstead line and with a high voltage electricity line carried on transmission towers.

https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/sapphireparking.co.uk

Re: Pleasure boats, the Thames, and that tie-in with the railways
In "Railway History and related topics" [378670/32405/55]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 22:04, 24th August 2026
Already liked by Mark A, Chris from Nailsea
 
On the Salters's good ship 'Reading' - my daughter's 21st, an evening with food and music - Wallingford - Pangbourne - Wallingford. Wonderful trip, full of memories.

Re: Pleasure boats, the Thames, and that tie-in with the railways
In "Railway History and related topics" [378669/32405/55]
Posted by TonyN at 21:50, 24th August 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
Over about 5 years in the early 2000s I Travelled from Oxford to Staines on Salters public trips. and also from Runnymede to Hampton court on an ex Salters boat operated by French Brothers.

Staines-Windsor (also did the Windsor-Runnymede bit in 1967 on a school trip)
Marlow-Windsor
Marlow-Henley
Henley-Reading
Reading-Wallingford
Wallingford-Abingdon (This was on a modern plastic boat operated by Salters Due to scaffolding partly blocking the bridge arch at Clifton Hampton. I think it was the last trip as the Captain was doing his last trip before retiring and it was the end of the season)
Abingdon-Oxford (The only public point to point trip Salters still Run)

Re: Pleasure boats, the Thames, and that tie-in with the railways
In "Railway History and related topics" [378668/32405/55]
Posted by eightonedee at 21:30, 24th August 2026
 
Reading this made me suddenly realise- I've not seen any Salters' "steamers" this year on our stretch of the Thames through the Goring Gap. Checking their website, it seems that they no longer run their Wallingford- Reading route. But on reflection, in recent years these often seemed poorly patronised. No longer any demand for this?

Re: Corsham Station reopening
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [378667/226/28]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:15, 24th August 2026
 
If they can indeed get all of that business case together by November 2026, that will be impressive in itself. 

Re: UK population exceeds 60 million - BBC report, 24th August 2006
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [378666/32402/28]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 21:09, 24th August 2026
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
For the record, I was born in Devon, of native UK parents (through several generations, on both sides) in 1959.



CfN. 

That makes two of us! (Although in my case 1970!) 

Re: Gatwick Airport - facilities, improvements and incidents - merged posts, ongoing discussion
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [378665/20849/5]
Posted by ChrisB at 21:06, 24th August 2026
 
Let's hope the operator - who isn't Gatwick Airport - was insured - otherwise 140 owners might be looking for them on their return

Re: UK population exceeds 60 million - BBC report, 24th August 2006
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [378664/32402/28]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:58, 24th August 2026
 
For the record, I was born in Devon, of native UK parents (through several generations, on both sides) in 1959.

I don't think I have managed to change society.  Well, not much, anyway. 

CfN. 

Re: Gatwick Airport - facilities, improvements and incidents - merged posts, ongoing discussion
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [378663/20849/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:52, 24th August 2026
 
From the BBC:

Fire destroys 140 cars at site used by Gatwick passengers


A fire service says about 140 vehicles were destroyed in a parking site used by Gatwick holidaymakers

Holidaymakers using Gatwick Airport are facing misery at the end of their travels after a fire at a car park used by people flying from the hub destroyed 140 vehicles.

The blaze at Caldyne Business Park near Crawley broke out shortly after 21:00 BST on Saturday, and images from the site show huge flames and massive plumes of smoke above rows of stationary cars.

A 67-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of arson, and has been bailed pending further inquiries, Sussex Police said.

A spokesperson for Gatwick Airport, which does not own the site, said it "understands how concerning and distressing this will be" for passengers.

Sapphire Parking, whose site was involved in the blaze, said: "At the moment, it is a nightmare for everyone.  We lost a lot of business - we have had to cancel about 600 bookings.  I know that customers are calling and are distressed, but we can't do much at the moment."

The airport added that the site "is not endorsed or operated by London Gatwick".

More than 2,000 homes were also left without power on Saturday due to the blaze, but electricity has since been restored to those affected.


Firefighters tackled the blaze on Saturday morning - Image © Eddie Mitchell

West Sussex Fire & Rescue Service advised people whose vehicles were damaged by the blaze to contact their parking operator directly.  A spokesperson said crews remained at the scene on Monday to damp down hotspots.  It added there were no casualties.  A total of eight fire engines and water carriers attended at the height of the blaze.


Re: Corsham Station reopening
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [378662/226/28]
Posted by John D at 20:33, 24th August 2026
Already liked by JohnM
 
Corsham Town Council update

Work on a new business case to be ready by November 2026

Following discussions between Wiltshire Council, GWR and Network Rail, AtkinsRealis has been commissioned to update the business case for Corsham’s proposed new railway station. This work will be completed by the end of November 2026.

The work will focus on updating existing evidence and improving the business case rather than redesigning the scheme. It includes:

Costs and Financial Assessment
A full update of the station’s capital cost estimates will be undertaken, using the same station design and scope that formed the basis of the 2022 submission.
Operational cost assumptions will be reviewed using comparisons with similar stations, including consideration of different staffing models and day-to-day operating costs.
The economic case will be strengthened through clearer benchmarking against comparable stations, particularly in relation to passenger demand and wider travel impacts. No new demand modelling is proposed.

Wider Benefits Assessment
The SOC will include an enhanced qualitative assessment of the station’s environmental and social benefits, identifying likely positive outcomes and areas for future detailed appraisal.
A more detailed assessment of wider economic benefits will be undertaken, considering potential impacts on investment, productivity and employment, with comparisons to similar schemes where relevant.

Timetable and Operational Feasibility
Additional consideration will be given to operational risks on the rail corridor and the implications of introducing a Corsham stop within an increasingly constrained timetable.
AtkinsRéalis will meet with Network Rail and GWR to discuss these risks.
Existing timetable analysis will be reviewed in light of current timetables and more recent studies, with any significant changes to previous conclusions recorded. No detailed timetable modelling is planned.

Funding and Development Support
The case will be updated to reflect discussions led by Wiltshire Council with potential third-party funders and clarify how external contributions could support delivery and operation of the station.
Further engagement with planning officers, developers and local stakeholders will be documented to demonstrate alignment with housing growth, regeneration and wider development objectives.

Stakeholder Support
The business case will be strengthened by incorporating evidence of support from key stakeholders, including relevant correspondence and endorsements.
 
Integration with Other Transport Modes
Greater emphasis will be placed on how the proposed station would connect with wider transport networks, including bus services, walking and cycling routes and links to surrounding communities.

Business Case and Carbon Updates
The case will be updated to reflect current Department for Transport business case guidance and policy requirements.
A high-level assessment of carbon impacts will be undertaken, alongside preparation of an outline Carbon Management Plan appropriate to this stage of development.
 
Overall, the work is designed to refresh and strengthen the existing Strategic Outline Case, improve its alignment with current guidance, provide up-to-date cost information, demonstrate wider benefits and reinforce the strategic and financial case for progressing the Corsham Station project to the next stage of development.

https://www.corsham.gov.uk/amenities/railway-station/

Re: UK population exceeds 60 million - BBC report, 24th August 2006
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [378661/32402/28]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 20:32, 24th August 2026
 
Why's that matter?

I think the demographics are as of much interest as the headline numbers,  to help understand how society has changed.

Re: RMT union plans rail strikes over train safety concerns at East Midlands Railway
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [378660/32266/51]
Posted by John D at 20:11, 24th August 2026
 
I have just received the latest Modern Railways. It includes a detailed article by Roger Ford about the "issues" with the Class 810s. It makes quite sobering reading (and I have only glanced so far). In this case maybe the RMT are fully justified in refusing to work them when certain types of faults exist (listed in article - some appear to be "quite" safety critical).

The list of features not available during a reboot (or aux-on, aux-off reset to use EMR terminology) which takes 18-20 minutes is :
■ GSM-R communications
■ Doors interlock
■ Passenger communication systems
■ Fire detection systems
■ Public address and passenger information systems
■ CCTV recording
■ Train lighting Source: EMR instructions to staff

Of course many trains didn't have these features years ago, the 4VEP and 4CIG EMUs which were still being built in 1973, never had them when built.   Some of these trains were still in use until about 20 years ago and number of these were never added.

Network Rail sues companies for £5m over Llangennech derailment in August 2020
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [378659/32406/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:10, 24th August 2026
Already liked by Western Pathfinder
 
From the BBC:

Rail companies sued for £5m over oil spill caused by derailment


Ten of the 25 wagons derailed as a result of of the incident

Network Rail is suing two rail companies for more than £5m after a fuel spill caused by a train derailment threatened an "environmental disaster" at a designated site for protection.

The body filed a legal claim earlier this month against DB Cargo UK and Touax Rail over the derailment near Llangennech, Carmarthenshire, in August 2020.

The incident saw 10 wagons of the 25-wagon train derail, causing 446,000 litres of fuel to spill, and about 300 people had to leave the area due to the blaze.

In High Court documents, Network Rail claimed that the derailment occurred because the wagon had "not been maintained with reasonable care" and is seeking damages for negligence.

No one was injured, but 116,000 litres of fuel ignited while 330,000 litres drained into surrounding wetlands, which form part of a Site of Special Scientific Interest (SSSI) and a Special Area of Conservation.

The Rail Accident Investigation Branch (RAIB) concluded in January 2022 that the derailment was caused by a set of wheels on one of the wagons locking, likely the result of a brake defect after "inadequate maintenance practices" were found in the investigation.

Network Rail, which owns, operates, maintains and develops Britain's railways, claimed that the derailment occurred because the wagon had "not been maintained with reasonable care" by Touax.  It is also seeking damages from DB Cargo UK, claiming that the latter "breached a contractual duty to ensure that reasonable care was taken" in maintaining the wagon.

Lawyers for the body said it expected to recover "more than £5m" with DB Cargo and Touax yet to file defences.  A hearing in the case is due to take place.

The locomotive was pulling the wagons from Milford Haven, Pembrokeshire, to Theale, near Reading, when the derailment occurred.

The line was closed for six months after the incident and did not fully reopen for almost a year, with 30,000 tonnes of fuel-soaked soil having to be excavated.

Bill Kelly, the then-Network Rail Wales route director, said when the line fully reopened in March 2021 that work following the incident was "one of the biggest environmental recovery operations Network Rail has ever been involved with".  He added that the derailment could have caused a "total environmental disaster".

The RAIB said, in its 2022 report, that the train was travelling at about 38mph at the time of the derailment, and was carrying up to 75.5 tonnes of fuel.  The RAIB did not establish blame or liability for the incident, but made nine recommendations to avoid similar accidents.

Network Rail and DB Cargo declined to comment, while Touax has been approached for comment.


Re: UK population exceeds 60 million - BBC report, 24th August 2006
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [378658/32402/28]
Posted by ChrisB at 19:52, 24th August 2026
 
Why's that matter?

Re: UK population exceeds 60 million - BBC report, 24th August 2006
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [378657/32402/28]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 19:35, 24th August 2026
 
The BBC reported on 24th August 2006 that the UK population had exceeded 60 million - see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5281360.stm .  The report was from the Office Of National Statistics for the year ended 30th June 2005.

I have looked back - in 30 year increments

33,200,000   1876 (includes Ireland)
43,400,000   1906 (includes Ireland)
47,100,000   1936
54,600,000   1966 Railway modernisation as per the Beeching report
58,200,000   1996 Privatisation
70,000,000   2026 (guestimated as of 30th June)

At Sheffield Park on Saturday, I picked up an old timetable for British Rail's Western Region dated 1965, showing services on lines lost over following years.  Some were - dire - in their frequency, not fast, and looking at the "diagrams" there were a lot of trains busy doing nothing for hours on end.   I find myself wondering with a 28% increase in population since then, and modern environmental concerns at the inefficiency of modern cars for transporting people (not only fuel use, but congestion and the need for road and parking capacity) how different things might have been had the population been so much greater in those days.

I wonder how many/what % of that number in 1966 were UK born, compared to today's figure.

 
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