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Re: Station fire at Paignton. Footbridge?
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [377393/32262/24]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:19, 24th July 2026
 
Many thanks for your adding all of that content here on the Coffee Shop forum, REVUpminster.

Chris from Nailsea. 

Re: Station fire at Paignton. Footbridge?
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [377392/32262/24]
Posted by REVUpminster at 22:06, 24th July 2026
 
https://youtu.be/LMEVYdqjwjI

https://youtu.be/LMEVYdqjwjI


Re: Pigeons at railway stations causing problems
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377391/32277/51]
Posted by JayMac at 22:03, 24th July 2026
 
And yet, those who irrationally hate on Halal slaughter (88% pre-stunned in the UK)  are nearly always silent on Kosher slaughter for which pre-stunning isn't permitted at all.

Is is unimaginative and predictable to point that out?

Sod it. Its not irrational. It's nearly always islamophobia and/or racism.

Re: Station fire at Paignton. Footbridge?
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [377390/32262/24]
Posted by REVUpminster at 21:50, 24th July 2026
 
Painton Station fire 23 July 2026 7 train in station by Robert, on Flickr

Train in platform empty Torquay-Paignton-Torquay

Re: Station fire at Paignton. Footbridge?
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [377389/32262/24]
Posted by REVUpminster at 21:48, 24th July 2026

Re: Station fire at Paignton. Footbridge?
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [377388/32262/24]
Posted by REVUpminster at 21:42, 24th July 2026
 
Paignton station. fire at footbridge 21 July 2026 by Robert, on Flickr

Fire at Paignton Station footbridge 21 July 2026 by Robert, on Flickr

I've put them on flkr. The image box here doesn't work for me so haven't used it.
These two are not mine.

Re: Station fire at Paignton. Footbridge?
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [377387/32262/24]
Posted by ChrisB at 21:17, 24th July 2026
 
Maybe Chris B can transfer them to here.

welllll.....in might be easy



I can see the photo above - can we all?

Re: Pigeons at railway stations causing problems
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377386/32277/51]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 20:39, 24th July 2026
 
They're vermin frankly, and I am don't have a problem - although plenty do in the comments to that article.

So I ask the question - why do many see shooting them as an inhumane way of killing when no one has any problem with Halal killing of any animal??

I think you'll find a lot of people object to the non stun slaughtering of animals, however they're equally wary of being accused of racism, "Islamophobia" etc which tends to be the unimaginative, yet predictable default response to the airing of such objections with the aim of shutting down the debate.

Re: WOMAD comes to Wiltshire - nearest station, Melksham, July 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377385/31642/18]
Posted by John D at 20:30, 24th July 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
Just seen what looks like new posters at Bradford on Avon station, near entrances, and there is a section on max luggage etc

It includes banned items and has silhouette (near bottom right) of one of those pull along hand trolleys that Festival goes often use

Wonder if WOMAD triggered the update, does Melksham or Chippenham have similar posters.  Possibly been there years but never noticed it before

Re: Interrail trip 4 - the journey continues
In "Introductions and chat" [377384/32275/1]
Posted by stuving at 20:13, 24th July 2026
 
No. 8 isn't even in Poland - though we were waiting for an international train to Poland at that station. 

Pasewalk. Not the most obvious place to be catching an international train - but I'm sure there was a reason for choosing a station that is so ... unimproved. Perhaps just that?

And to get there from Wernigerode/Vienenburg you'd almost have to go via Berlin, explaining why 7 is Berlin HBF. As well as the fact that little else is just so ... big! (Vertically, most strikingly.)


How do steam railways tackle lineside fire risks?
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [377383/32278/47]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:23, 24th July 2026
 
From the BBC:

How do steam railways tackle lineside fire risks?


The Watercress Line is operating its Canadian Pacific loco to reduce the risk of fires - Image © Peter Trimming

Prolonged dry weather has led to a temporary ban on steam trains on the national rail network but the rules do not apply to independent heritage lines.

Swanage Railway in Dorset and the Watercress Line in Hampshire are among the attractions still running steam locomotives when it is deemed safe to do so.

So how do operators decide when it is safe, and how do they mitigate the risk?

Safety measures include devices that prevent embers from escaping, choosing bigger locomotives to pull the trains, and assessing the strength and direction of the wind.

Watercress Line chief executive Rebecca Dalley said: "We do have to be very careful but there are lots of things we can do.  There is a wonderful device called a spark arrester.  They've got very fine mesh so almost nothing can escape, so you are only getting smoke coming out of the top and a bit of steam."

Dalley said screens were also fitted to the dampers that let the air in beneath the fire so there is "no means of escape".

"We check the condition of our ash pans that collect the embers from the firebox and we fit water sprays to dampen everything down," she said.

(BBC article continues)


Re: Station fire at Paignton. Footbridge?
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [377382/32262/24]
Posted by REVUpminster at 19:14, 24th July 2026
 
I find it very difficult to upload here. There's no dopbox. I have in the past but first had to put on youtube if a video or flkr if an image.
Maybe Chris B can transfer them to here.

Re: Station fire at Paignton. Footbridge?
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [377381/32262/24]
Posted by ChrisB at 18:49, 24th July 2026
 
I can see them....and I'm not logged in for years!

Re: Pigeons at railway stations causing problems
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377380/32277/51]
Posted by ChrisB at 18:46, 24th July 2026
 
They're vermin frankly, and I am don't have a problem - although plenty do in the comments to that article.

So I ask the question - why do many see shooting them as an inhumane way of killing when no one has any problem with Halal killing of any animal??

Pigeons at railway stations causing problems
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377378/32277/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:59, 24th July 2026
 
From the BBC:

2,000 pigeons shot with rifles at railway stations

More than 2,000 pigeons have been shot at railway stations and depots across the UK in 16 months, the BBC has found.

Professionals with air rifles shoot the pigeons at night in an effort to prevent droppings becoming slip hazards or causing illness, but critics say the method is inhumane.

Of the stations managed by state-owned companies, York Station recorded 608 birds shot between January 2025 and April of this year - 152 of them on a single day.

The data was sourced under the Freedom of Information Act which does not apply to private companies, so it is possible other stations have culled more and the total is higher than the current figure of 2,019.

LNER was the most prolific train operator with more than 800 birds shot at its stations in the year and four months to March 2026 - three-quarters of those at York Station. "We do implement a number of deterrents and any other measures are as a last resort only," the operator said. "The safety of our customers and colleagues is our number one priority."

It said its higher totals on individual days – 152 on 26 January last year, and 97 on 21 February this year – were a result of large gaps between cullings.

Network Rail had 600 pigeons killed across Bristol Temple Meads, London Euston and Edinburgh Waverley stations.

South Western Railway ordered the shooting of 250, Transport for London had 147, and Northern had 143.

Scotrail and c2c did not kill pigeons at any of their stations.

(BBC article continues)


Re: Station fire at Paignton. Footbridge?
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [377377/32262/24]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:34, 24th July 2026
 
I've uploaded some photos from today here because it's easier.
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/paignton-station-footbridge-on-fire-21-07-26.304899/page-4

It has been noted by us on the admin team here that those images are only viewable to registered members of 'railforums'.  Any guest reader there just gets a blank.

Many, many, years ago, I registered there as a member: I have no recollection even of the username I used, never mind the password.

If you could possibly post those photos where they can be viewed here on the Coffee Shop forum, REVUpminster, that would be much appreciated.

Chris from Nailsea. 

Re: Interrail trip 4 - the journey continues
In "Introductions and chat" [377376/32275/1]
Posted by Mark A at 16:20, 24th July 2026
 
Re pictures 5 & 6. Why can't we treat rail passengers as adults in this country and let them cross the track?

Do they have higher railway accident rates in Europe?

Made me reflect on the last time, away from preserved lines, I used a barrow crossing. Exeter St Davids, some time ago, encumbered by a bike with camping gear. Was that crossing provided with white lights that were lit when it was clear to cross or is that my imagination?

Oh, and, come to think of it, Carmarthen at the start of this year, though perhaps that doesn't quite count as a barrow crossing.

Mark

Re: Interrail trip 4 - the journey continues
In "Introductions and chat" [377372/32275/1]
Posted by CyclingSid at 14:31, 24th July 2026
Already liked by GBM, Witham Bobby, Mark A
 
Re pictures 5 & 6. Why can't we treat rail passengers as adults in this country and let them cross the track?

Do they have higher railway accident rates in Europe?

Re: Station fire at Paignton. Footbridge?
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [377371/32262/24]
Posted by REVUpminster at 11:51, 24th July 2026
 
GWR/NR are aiming for a re-opening of Tuesday.  Initially was Monday but pushed back a day so aspirations are more realistic. 
Considerations are a temporary entrance via the car park needs to be made, train formations need to be restricted to prevent any part being under the damaged structures and there'd be no direct access between platforms 1 and 2.

If the steelwork is ok then it's a matter of stripping out the wood that's likely to fall down and that's what they seem to be doing. I went down yesterday and will go again tomorrow. Let's hope they are working. Gilpen demolishing the building opposite don't work weekends. One of the reasons it's taking six weeks.

Re: Castle Cary station - services, incidents, facilities, car parking and awards (merged topic)
In "Heart of Wessex" [377370/618/19]
Posted by bradshaw at 10:58, 24th July 2026
Already liked by IndustryInsider
 
From the link
   Arrival and departure times at Castle Cary Station to and from London have been set to ensure there is a sufficient gap between bus and train arrivals and departures to support reliable connections.

Re: Taunton to Minehead
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [377369/2688/47]
Posted by grahame at 10:42, 24th July 2026
Already liked by GBM, Andy, Witham Bobby, eightonedee, Mark A, Oxonhutch
 
Questions: Was there ever an additional running line on the north side of the present infrastructure west of Taunton which, if reinstated, would allow WSR services to run to & from the mothballed / abandoned station platform without getting in the way of 'GBR' trains.

And if 'Yes' are there any other impediments to reinstatement apart from the obvious cost, the footbridge over Trenchard Way and what looks like signalling cabinets?

Or, if regular Taunton <> Minehead services ever returned would fitting WSR trains with AWS and/or TPWS equipment suffice?

The GWML between Cogload and Norton Fitzwarren Junction (NFJ) was upgraded in the 1930s to four roads.  The Up and Down Mains, and the Up and Down Reliefs.  So up until the closure of Norton Fitzwarren Junction Signal Box (1969?) there were four lines from there from/to Taunton.  The main lines were in the centre, and the relief lines were on the outside; in line with GW practice

After the the closure of NFJ, things changed a bit.  The Down Relief was abolished between Silk Mill and NFJ.  .The Up Relief line between NFJ and Silk Mill became a part of the token-worked single line.  The 'box at Bishops Lydeard was taken out at the same time, so the single line was a long section, from Williton to Silk Mill.

So, when the present WSR came into being, there was a line that could have been used exclusively by WSR trains - the old Up Relief.  The Taunton end would have been in the west-end bay (Platform 8 as was).  The connection at Silk Mill would have been retained, to be used for any through trains and stock moves

The management at BR(WR) Bristol Division wanted a ransom amount of money for the use of this two and a bit miles of track.  They wanted to add part of the signalmen at Silk Mill's wages.  They wanted big money to inspect any rolling stock using the line.  They insisted on all staff being qualified in BR Rules.  It was massively unreasonable, and too much for the penniless, fledgeling company.  So the Up Relief etc got ripped up as part of the 1985 remodelling and resignalling, and signal posts and location cabinets were planted along its length

Thank your for that excellent summary.

I suppose the answer to the question about the current "infrastructure" allowing the (re)laying of a third line depends on what you call "infrastructure".   If your definition include signalling and other cables, then I don't believe there is room any longer for a track where the up relief used to be.  If you define it as purely track work, then, yes, there is room.    I believe we have a similar issue with the 4th platform at Westbury, where the old trackbed, we are told, hides so many vital cables that would cost a 7 figure sum to move ...

I look, sadly back with hindsight, and wonder how different things woful have been if people at formative days had been somewhat more helpful - both in looking for a practical way to work the Minehead line alongside the main line, and for a way for buses and trains to work together rather than the trains being regarded as competition to the buses that risked putting them and their drivers out of business.  But that's another chapter in the same story.

Re: Taunton to Minehead
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [377368/2688/47]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 10:07, 24th July 2026
Already liked by GBM, Mark A, trainbuff
 
Questions: Was there ever an additional running line on the north side of the present infrastructure west of Taunton which, if reinstated, would allow WSR services to run to & from the mothballed / abandoned station platform without getting in the way of 'GBR' trains.

And if 'Yes' are there any other impediments to reinstatement apart from the obvious cost, the footbridge over Trenchard Way and what looks like signalling cabinets?

Or, if regular Taunton <> Minehead services ever returned would fitting WSR trains with AWS and/or TPWS equipment suffice?

The GWML between Cogload and Norton Fitzwarren Junction (NFJ) was upgraded in the 1930s to four roads.  The Up and Down Mains, and the Up and Down Reliefs.  So up until the closure of Norton Fitzwarren Junction Signal Box (1969?) there were four lines from there from/to Taunton.  The main lines were in the centre, and the relief lines were on the outside; in line with GW practice

After the the closure of NFJ, things changed a bit.  The Down Relief was abolished between Silk Mill and NFJ.  .The Up Relief line between NFJ and Silk Mill became a part of the token-worked single line.  The 'box at Bishops Lydeard was taken out at the same time, so the single line was a long section, from Williton to Silk Mill.

So, when the present WSR came into being, there was a line that could have been used exclusively by WSR trains - the old Up Relief.  The Taunton end would have been in the west-end bay (Platform 8 as was).  The connection at Silk Mill would have been retained, to be used for any through trains and stock moves

The management at BR(WR) Bristol Division wanted a ransom amount of money for the use of this two and a bit miles of track.  They wanted to add part of the signalmen at Silk Mill's wages.  They wanted big money to inspect any rolling stock using the line.  They insisted on all staff being qualified in BR Rules.  It was massively unreasonable, and too much for the penniless, fledgeling company.  So the Up Relief etc got ripped up as part of the 1985 remodelling and resignalling, and signal posts and location cabinets were planted along its length

Re: New bus service Glastonbury to Castle Cary
In "Heart of Wessex" [377367/618/19]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 09:37, 24th July 2026
Already liked by GBM
 
A new experimental service starts in August linking Glastonbury with Castle Cary station, with connections from Somerton/Langport at Keinton Mandeville.
Details below

https://www.somerset.gov.uk/news/new-trial-rail-link-bus-to-launch-in-august/

Really good to see the effort has been made to list the connections to and from the buses.  The question, as always with these sorts of services, is how long the bus will wait for the incoming train if late?

 
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