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| Re: Collision between two trains at Llanbrynmair, in Powys, Wales - 21 October 2024 In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376123/29345/51] Posted by John D at 13:45, 19th June 2026 | ![]() |
Unpleasant Telegraph headline IMO - "Train driver missed chance to avoid fatal crash".
Seems to be based on driver either forgot about, or chose not to use the manual sander when automatic one failed.
But agree it is a very tough headline to use.
| Re: How would YOU solve CrossCountry ? In "Across the West" [376122/32138/26] Posted by paul7575 at 13:11, 19th June 2026 | ![]() |
Can’t really see nationalisation causing the Voyagers to be replaced 10-15 years before their due date, as has already been said.
| Re: Collision between two trains at Llanbrynmair, in Powys, Wales - 21 October 2024 In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376121/29345/51] Posted by JohnM at 12:55, 19th June 2026 | ![]() |
Unpleasant Telegraph headline IMO - "Train driver missed chance to avoid fatal crash".
| Re: Collision between two trains at Llanbrynmair, in Powys, Wales - 21 October 2024 In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376120/29345/51] Posted by JohnM at 12:05, 19th June 2026 | ![]() |
30mph. Ugh. Passenger here: to any drivers reading this, in the most unlikely case that you find your train is in this predicament, it's fine, once you've set its systems to do their best, to see you out of your cab and heading down the first carriage.
Sounds like good advice, although...The 66-year-old was a passenger in the rear carriage of the train to Aberystwyth, as were other people who were seriously injured in the crash just before 19:00 on 21 October, 2024.
I could understand that if it was just one person perhaps with health issues, but the fact that the other seriously injured were also there - seems odd?| Re: Dreadful GWR performance figures In "Across the West" [376119/32150/26] Posted by REVUpminster at 11:25, 19th June 2026 | ![]() |
The 175s cannot be doing much for the stats with cancellations, late running, and short forms by taking 150s to cover.
| Re: Dreadful GWR performance figures In "Across the West" [376118/32150/26] Posted by Clan Line at 10:44, 19th June 2026 | ![]() |
"Ageing fleet"? The IETs have largely only been in service for 8-10 years, the 387 Electrostars much the same!
I can't speak for the 387s, but the IETs are certainly ageing - very prematurely !! They are in far worse condition that the HSTs ever were at that age - in fact, I would say that HSTs were in better "nick" at twice that age.
| Re: Dreadful GWR performance figures In "Across the West" [376117/32150/26] Posted by John D at 09:31, 19th June 2026 Already liked by Mark A, TaplowGreen, GBM | ![]() |
Although the cancellations are total, and GWR caused (so difference between these numbers are caused by others).
However most passengers are not really interested in who the cancellation is caused by, they simply want a reliable service, and if there is a problem, it gets resolved as fast as possible, and what to do in meantime to get them to their destination explained clearly.
Yesterday I was at Bradford On Avon station and every couple of minutes was automatic announcement: "we are sorry the 09:48 to Portsmouth Harbour is delayed by x minutes.....". Just robot mode hollow sounding apology, nothing to help or give reassurance to the waiting passengers. No reason given. Sort of feels symptomatic of attitude of customer comes last, operating convenience first.
Ok, BoA isn't the biggest station, so someone in control not entering a reason for PA to state, might be deemed low priority, but there is old adage look after pennies and pounds like look after themselves. In blunt terms if management don't care about passengers starting at smaller stations then not looking after about half their passengers which isn't good enough. Lose half the passengers and their jobs aren't secure, but they don't seem to get it.
| Re: Dreadful GWR performance figures In "Across the West" [376116/32150/26] Posted by TaplowGreen at 09:25, 19th June 2026 | ![]() |
.....Anyone else think standards are clearly slipping now, in run up to their nationalisation.
Clearly not the complete picture. There are a number of significant mismatches between All Cancellations & GWR Cancellations in the data and they can only or largely be down to Network Rail. The seemingly daily PAD <> RDG infrastructure failures must be a major contributor to a pretty bleak report.
I would agree with you both.
The current GWR team have an aging fleet to deal with, and also what seems like a worsening infrastructure scenario - though that could be that they're ever more careful now on safety grounds. It feels like the bridge at Limpley Stoke is closed and trains diverted via Chippenham on a weekly basis, for example, which does not help CDF -> PMH ... and the blame cannot be apportioned to GWR (First employees and contractors) on that sort of issue.
Where I (and others in WWRUG, for example) have noticed an issue is that GWR management is far less available and responsive than it used to be, with an extra layer of marketeers on filtering the technical team, and a very controlled approach of answering less / slower that they used to, and answering with answers that don't answer the question (if you get what I mean) but rather tell us similar / linked data that does not actually address the issue.
I and others are somewhat at a loss about what to do about this (if there is anything we can do). We do not wish to be "squeaky wheels". We do not want to shout issues in public, especially in those cases where things are getting slightly better. And we want to be able to promote the services with them. Of course, our failure on things like getting a CCIF grant, or the afternoon peak service at DMH replaced now that the original runs empty to aid reliability, or even to get a single call on 1st August in a Weymouth train for a special day out (and that WAS promised ...) is frustrating.
Is it "end of term blues?". Is it that other newer things such as as the Oxford service, Newquay and Okehampton are now the fashion / focus? Is it that they are far more ruled by DfT, not interested in anything except short term and impressing the new bosses? Is it that born and bred train people are replaced more by bright and lovely people but who are new to rail, and perhaps look at costs and accounts and not passenger needs? Is it an increased regulation and complexity that removes and flexibility and friendliness? I don't know the answer.
"Ageing fleet"? The IETs have largely only been in service for 8-10 years, the 387 Electrostars much the same!
| Re: And for my third trip on this year's Interrail pass .. In "Introductions and chat" [376115/32142/1] Posted by Bob_Blakey at 09:04, 19th June 2026 | ![]() |
Mentions of both Clermont-Ferrand (CF) and Nimes brought back memories of a couple of long weekend rugby trips from a few years back. I used Eurostar & SNCF for both trips; for CF I took the direct Paris Bercy services - not quick but plenty of stunning scenery. CF was a lovely place to wander around and obviously the rack railway run to the top of Puy-de-Dome was a must do. But disappointingly it was discovered that, as Jethro might have said, 'CF closes Sunday!'. After much searching we accepted the Stade Marcel Michelin McDonalds was going to be the only source of sustenance.
A long weekend in Montpellier, for which I used the Gare de Lyon TGV's, was particularly notable for a 1-hour delay at Nimes on the way back to Paris. This was a result of the line being blocked by the local Sapeurs-Pompiers indulging in traditional French public sector industrial action. The protesters were eventually persuaded to move by the police; I was not aware of any force being used. Having missed my connection at Gare du Nord I was happily rebooked by Eurostar using the original ticket. Under the same circumstances at Paddington GWR refused point-blank to take the same approach (yes I know, entirely my fault for having an Advance ticket).
| Re: Dreadful GWR performance figures In "Across the West" [376114/32150/26] Posted by grahame at 08:39, 19th June 2026 Already liked by GBM | ![]() |
.....Anyone else think standards are clearly slipping now, in run up to their nationalisation.
Clearly not the complete picture. There are a number of significant mismatches between All Cancellations & GWR Cancellations in the data and they can only or largely be down to Network Rail. The seemingly daily PAD <> RDG infrastructure failures must be a major contributor to a pretty bleak report.
I would agree with you both.
The current GWR team have an aging fleet to deal with, and also what seems like a worsening infrastructure scenario - though that could be that they're ever more careful now on safety grounds. It feels like the bridge at Limpley Stoke is closed and trains diverted via Chippenham on a weekly basis, for example, which does not help CDF -> PMH ... and the blame cannot be apportioned to GWR (First employees and contractors) on that sort of issue.
Where I (and others in WWRUG, for example) have noticed an issue is that GWR management is far less available and responsive than it used to be, with an extra layer of marketeers on filtering the technical team, and a very controlled approach of answering less / slower that they used to, and answering with answers that don't answer the question (if you get what I mean) but rather tell us similar / linked data that does not actually address the issue.
I and others are somewhat at a loss about what to do about this (if there is anything we can do). We do not wish to be "squeaky wheels". We do not want to shout issues in public, especially in those cases where things are getting slightly better. And we want to be able to promote the services with them. Of course, our failure on things like getting a CCIF grant, or the afternoon peak service at DMH replaced now that the original runs empty to aid reliability, or even to get a single call on 1st August in a Weymouth train for a special day out (and that WAS promised ...) is frustrating.
Is it "end of term blues?". Is it that other newer things such as as the Oxford service, Newquay and Okehampton are now the fashion / focus? Is it that they are far more ruled by DfT, not interested in anything except short term and impressing the new bosses? Is it that born and bred train people are replaced more by bright and lovely people but who are new to rail, and perhaps look at costs and accounts and not passenger needs? Is it an increased regulation and complexity that removes and flexibility and friendliness? I don't know the answer.
Feeding the workers would not have been a problem. The much later Romans noted how efficient the farmers were compared to those on mainland Europe.
Julius Caesars two expeditions (Putin would have called it special military operations) opened up Southern Britain to trade with Rome.
For the next hundred years that trade grew. Food was always a problem for the Romans relying on Egypt in the south and they wanted a bread basket in the north and by the time of Claudius were buying food from Britain to feed the legions on the Rhine.
The Roman fleet based at Boulogne had sailed round Britain and were fighting channel pirates. I like to think the British farmers put the prices up so Claudius invaded, using much of Caligula's plans.
| Re: Dreadful GWR performance figures In "Across the West" [376112/32150/26] Posted by Bob_Blakey at 07:57, 19th June 2026 | ![]() |
.....Anyone else think standards are clearly slipping now, in run up to their nationalisation.
Clearly not the complete picture. There are a number of significant mismatches between All Cancellations & GWR Cancellations in the data and they can only or largely be down to Network Rail. The seemingly daily PAD <> RDG infrastructure failures must be a major contributor to a pretty bleak report.
Well that's weird - no, still not working for me, at least not on my laptop. But it's ok on my phone.
Perhaps it's my (work) laptop's VPN that's getting in the way, although it doesn't seem to affect anything else.
| Dreadful GWR performance figures In "Across the West" [376110/32150/26] Posted by John D at 07:39, 19th June 2026 | ![]() |
GWR have recently published latest 4 weekly performance
Covers 3 - 30 May 2026
https://www.gwr.com/-/media/gwr-sc-website/files/publications/performance-report/gwr-performance-report-period-2702.pdf
Cancellations 4.44%
with huge 9.89% on South Wales-South coast routes
Less than 3 in 5 trains on time (59.28%)
Nearly 1 in 4 not within more relaxed within 3 minutes
4.33% of those that ran, were more than 15 minutes late.
349 trains (about 12.5 per day) were shortformed below DfT agreed length
Anyone else think standards are clearly slipping now, in run up to their nationalisation.
| Re: And for my third trip on this year's Interrail pass .. In "Introductions and chat" [376109/32142/1] Posted by Mark A at 07:37, 19th June 2026 | ![]() |
Delighted that the (first half) of your travel plans for yesterday worked out (and that the skies were good too.) And that the train presumably had air-con.
Mark
| Re: Andy Burnham elected to parliament, with a strong transport reputation In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [376108/32149/40] Posted by John D at 07:25, 19th June 2026 | ![]() |
Will the arrival into Parliament of Andy Burnham - who's done so much to flagship changes and developments of public transport in the Manchester area, and who's a Labour heavyweight make any difference indirectly to the government's direction and approaches to public transport - trains, buses, etc, in the south / west of England and South Wales?
Manchester (for which Andy is famous) has a high population density (a.k.a. is largely urban). Would he be inclined to make a difference in urban areas such as Bristol, Plymouth and Exeter or would his influence across the UK spread to areas which are described as "rural" but which are in practice a series of urban townships where most people live, separated from one another by a handful of miles of countryside?
Manchester (for which Andy is famous) has a high population density (a.k.a. is largely urban). Would he be inclined to make a difference in urban areas such as Bristol, Plymouth and Exeter or would his influence across the UK spread to areas which are described as "rural" but which are in practice a series of urban townships where most people live, separated from one another by a handful of miles of countryside?
Difficult to know how he sees more rural Britain, he was born near Liverpool, grew up in Culcheth (a village north east across motorway from Warrington), attended school in Newton-le-Willows, went to Cambridge University. So most of his first 20 years was in smaller towns rather than busy urban areas.
But seems he understands the other metro mayors, so might be more sympathetic to Bristol, and apparently isn't a great fan of London centric policies. So I think it will be case of wait and see.
Hi - it's working for me from here, at the moment. Perhaps something went offline first thing. Is it working for you too, now?
Mark
| Re: Stonehenge - National Monument in Wiltshire: merged posts, ongoing discussion In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [376106/22806/31] Posted by Marlburian at 07:11, 19th June 2026 | ![]() |
There have been various theories about how some of the stones were transported apparently hundreds of miles, but one might also consider the logistics of assembling the construction workers and their families from a wide area and then feeding them during their labours.
Were the workers rotated, returning home after some months, or did they settle permanently nearby?
No doubt a few at least of the countless books about Stonehenge cover such points.
(The same points also relate to Avebury, Silbury Hill and Wansdyke - the rampart and deep ditch that crosses Wiltshire, with the most impressive stretch being east of the Beckhampton-Devizes road.)
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Posted at the same time as those alterations were “additional” trains from Westbury to Southampton Central and Swindon to Worcester Foregate Street.
So at least some commuters were served.
So at least some commuters were served.
Indeed - somewhat ironic that the extras were on sections of the route where there are alternatives. Just saying.
| Re: And for my third trip on this year's Interrail pass .. In "Introductions and chat" [376103/32142/1] Posted by grahame at 06:11, 19th June 2026 Already liked by Mark A, chuffed, PrestburyRoad | ![]() |
Excellent. Hope you made the train. Hope you ever have mobile signal again...
Mark
Mark
I made the train and indeed 5.25 hours later have arrived in Nimes ... to find all the other trains in utter chaos due to "person hit by train". Stopping for lunch.
Some picture from that trip ... though they don't do the line justice. Stops, panorama pictures, non-reflective windows and fewer line side trees would all have helped ...





Thoroughly recommend - pictures don't do justice to the scenery. Three trains a day (if I had missed the 06:45, next would have left at lunch time). Few through passengers, but significant numbers towards the ends of the line where we started with a substantial commuter traffic, and a sprinkling along the way too getting on and off at the townships we called at.
And on arrival in Nimes ...

Posted at the same time as those alterations were “additional” trains from Westbury to Southampton Central and Swindon to Worcester Foregate Street.
So at least some commuters were served.
| Andy Burnham elected to parliament, with a strong transport reputation In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [376101/32149/40] Posted by grahame at 05:28, 19th June 2026 | ![]() |
Will the arrival into Parliament of Andy Burnham - who's done so much to flagship changes and developments of public transport in the Manchester area, and who's a Labour heavyweight make any difference indirectly to the government's direction and approaches to public transport - trains, buses, etc, in the south / west of England and South Wales?
Manchester (for which Andy is famous) has a high population density (a.k.a. is largely urban). Would he be inclined to make a difference in urban areas such as Bristol, Plymouth and Exeter or would his influence across the UK spread to areas which are described as "rural" but which are in practice a series of urban townships where most people live, separated from one another by a handful of miles of countryside?
| Handling of customer delays - a key to passenger satisfaction In "Across the West" [376100/32148/26] Posted by grahame at 05:15, 19th June 2026 | ![]() |
I noted a BBC report yesterday at https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c36y5ezr0k7o
Transport Focus chief executive Alex Robertson said: "This is the first report of its kind.
"I'm optimistic the railway understands the importance of using it to create a more customer focused culture and we'll be holding them to account to make sure they do."
The chief executive also stated more than nine in 10 people would report a positive experience if a delay was "handled well – a remarkably high figure given their train is late – but this falls to one in four when it isn't".
"I'm optimistic the railway understands the importance of using it to create a more customer focused culture and we'll be holding them to account to make sure they do."
The chief executive also stated more than nine in 10 people would report a positive experience if a delay was "handled well – a remarkably high figure given their train is late – but this falls to one in four when it isn't".
I note he finds it "remarkable" that the figure is so high. I don't - it just confirms the incredible importance of helping customers if their journeys are held up, in addition to the operational matters of getting things running sweetly again.
Oh dear ...
05:11 Gloucester to Southampton Central due 08:10
05:11 Gloucester to Southampton Central due 08:10 will be terminated at Swindon.
It will no longer call at Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Dilton Marsh, Warminster, Salisbury, Romsey and Southampton Central.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
05:11 Gloucester to Southampton Central due 08:10 will be terminated at Swindon.
It will no longer call at Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Dilton Marsh, Warminster, Salisbury, Romsey and Southampton Central.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
06:35 Salisbury to Worcester Foregate Street due 09:47
06:35 Salisbury to Worcester Foregate Street due 09:47 will be terminated at Westbury.
It will no longer call at Trowbridge, Melksham, Chippenham, Swindon, Kemble, Stroud, Stonehouse, Gloucester, Cheltenham Spa, Ashchurch For Tewkesbury, Worcester Shrub Hill and Worcester Foregate Street.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
06:35 Salisbury to Worcester Foregate Street due 09:47 will be terminated at Westbury.
It will no longer call at Trowbridge, Melksham, Chippenham, Swindon, Kemble, Stroud, Stonehouse, Gloucester, Cheltenham Spa, Ashchurch For Tewkesbury, Worcester Shrub Hill and Worcester Foregate Street.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
We are not the only ones ... Gunnislake also lost their first train and in our area also
07:00 Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads due 08:20
09:08 Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford due 10:26
11:03 Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads due 12:13
13:09 Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford due 14:29
21:10 Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford due 22:27
21:10 Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford due 22:27 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
09:08 Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford due 10:26
11:03 Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads due 12:13
13:09 Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford due 14:29
21:10 Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford due 22:27
21:10 Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford due 22:27 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
No advice to passengers on Journeycheck as what they should do. With the 06:29 southbound cancelled at Melksham, the next train is at 09:10 - ouch. With the 07:21 in the other direction cancelled, the first train in the 08:02. With both trains cancelled, connections to the Bristol travel-to-work area are blown. Normal customer advice would be to catch the 271/272 bus to Manver Street in Bath and cross the road into Bath Spa station for an ongoing train, but road works in Bath have Manvers Street closed for the summer and autumn.
Cut and paste passenger advice (not given this time) suggests "Option 4 - consider postponing your journey" which just might be OK for the leisure market. My personal suggestion would be the Bath bus and walk across the city for fit people, or perhaps the x34 to Trowbridge (Trinity Church for the station) or Chippenham (where the early and Sunday services call at the railway station).
| Re: Collision between two trains at Llanbrynmair, in Powys, Wales - 21 October 2024 In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376098/29345/51] Posted by Mark A at 21:02, 18th June 2026 | ![]() |
30mph. Ugh. Passenger here: to any drivers reading this, in the most unlikely case that you find your train is in this predicament, it's fine, once you've set its systems to do their best, to see you out of your cab and heading down the first carriage.
Mark
| Re: Birmingham based CrossCountry ranked Britain's worst train operator - March 2026 In "Cross Country services" [376097/32147/43] Posted by ChrisB at 20:30, 18th June 2026 | ![]() |
And Chiltern are somewhat surprisingly, bottom of the LSE operators.
| Birmingham based CrossCountry ranked Britain's worst train operator - March 2026 In "Cross Country services" [376096/32147/43] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:17, 18th June 2026 | ![]() |
From the BBC:
Birmingham based CrossCountry ranked Britain's worst train operator
Train operator CrossCountry has been told to raise its performance, after receiving the worst score in a passenger survey.
In three months to the end of March, 72% of Birmingham-based CrossCountry's stops at stations were made within three minutes of the schedule, while 7% of services were cancelled, said Transport Focus.
The watchdog added that of those surveyed, 79% were satisfied with the Arriva Group-owned operator, 77% reported being satisfied with their journey's punctuality and reliability, and 46% said they were satisfied with how the company dealt with delays. The operator said despite slight improvements in some areas, it knew it "must do more to deliver the service our customers rightly deserve".
Transport Focus has asked CrossCountry to improve the passenger experience, reduce delays, provide better information during disruption and cut overcrowding on services.
Hull Trains achieved the best overall satisfaction score at 94%, followed by LNER with 93%.
87% of passengers overall said they were satisfied with their journey and disabled passengers reported lower satisfaction than non-disabled passengers, at 85%. More than 100,000 passengers were questioned in the six months to the end of March.
CrossCountry, the Arriva Group-owned operator, runs long-distance trains serving cities such as Cambridge, Cardiff and Manchester.
Mark Anderson, CrossCountry's customer and commercial director, said that looking forward, its refurbished trains were "transforming" journeys and its new timetable was "delivering better regional connectivity across the country".
"We're always working to improve onboard experience – from cleaning to catering, better wi-fi and clearer information during disruption. In particular, we know that crowding is a challenge and we're working with industry partners to explore all possible options to ease this."
Transport Focus chief executive Alex Robertson said: "This is the first report of its kind. I'm optimistic the railway understands the importance of using it to create a more customer focused culture and we'll be holding them to account to make sure they do."
The chief executive also stated more than nine in 10 people would report a positive experience if a delay was "handled well – a remarkably high figure given their train is late – but this falls to one in four when it isn't".
(BBC article includes graphics, with drop-down menus for individual providers)
Train operator CrossCountry has been told to raise its performance, after receiving the worst score in a passenger survey.
In three months to the end of March, 72% of Birmingham-based CrossCountry's stops at stations were made within three minutes of the schedule, while 7% of services were cancelled, said Transport Focus.
The watchdog added that of those surveyed, 79% were satisfied with the Arriva Group-owned operator, 77% reported being satisfied with their journey's punctuality and reliability, and 46% said they were satisfied with how the company dealt with delays. The operator said despite slight improvements in some areas, it knew it "must do more to deliver the service our customers rightly deserve".
Transport Focus has asked CrossCountry to improve the passenger experience, reduce delays, provide better information during disruption and cut overcrowding on services.
Hull Trains achieved the best overall satisfaction score at 94%, followed by LNER with 93%.
87% of passengers overall said they were satisfied with their journey and disabled passengers reported lower satisfaction than non-disabled passengers, at 85%. More than 100,000 passengers were questioned in the six months to the end of March.
CrossCountry, the Arriva Group-owned operator, runs long-distance trains serving cities such as Cambridge, Cardiff and Manchester.
Mark Anderson, CrossCountry's customer and commercial director, said that looking forward, its refurbished trains were "transforming" journeys and its new timetable was "delivering better regional connectivity across the country".
"We're always working to improve onboard experience – from cleaning to catering, better wi-fi and clearer information during disruption. In particular, we know that crowding is a challenge and we're working with industry partners to explore all possible options to ease this."
Transport Focus chief executive Alex Robertson said: "This is the first report of its kind. I'm optimistic the railway understands the importance of using it to create a more customer focused culture and we'll be holding them to account to make sure they do."
The chief executive also stated more than nine in 10 people would report a positive experience if a delay was "handled well – a remarkably high figure given their train is late – but this falls to one in four when it isn't".
(BBC article includes graphics, with drop-down menus for individual providers)
| Re: Stonehenge - National Monument in Wiltshire: merged posts, ongoing discussion In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [376095/22806/31] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:58, 18th June 2026 | ![]() |
An update, from the BBC:
Simpler, older version of Stonehenge found three miles from famous site
Archaeologists believe they have discovered an earlier, much simpler version of Stonehenge about 3 miles (5km) away from the prehistoric monument.
All that remains of the older structure is two holes in the ground, but the team says they held wooden posts that lined up with the Sun on the summer and winter solstices - the longest and shortest days of the year - in the same way as Stonehenge.
The site has been dated to about 5,000 years old, which predates Stonehenge by 500 years. Artefacts were also found at the site, including pottery, flint tools and animal bone, suggesting prehistoric people held gatherings there.
Phil Harding, from Wessex Archaeology, who led the excavation, said it was one of the best finds of his long career. "Two post pits tell me [much] more about the people 5,000 years ago," he said. "This tells me about the whole community, this tells me about how they were thinking, how they were behaving, how they were revering the heavens."
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The structure, discovered in the village of Bulford, was a much more simple construction made up of just two wooden posts, which have long since rotted away. They were positioned 120m (394ft) apart and estimated to be between 2m and 4m high.
When Harding uncovered the intriguing holes, he noticed that they seemed to line up with the Sun, just like Stonehenge located a few miles away. "I got my pencil and ruler, and I joined them up, and I was aware that they were kind of pointing in the general direction of the sunrise on midsummer," he said.
(BBC article continues, with more details, images and explanations)
Archaeologists believe they have discovered an earlier, much simpler version of Stonehenge about 3 miles (5km) away from the prehistoric monument.
All that remains of the older structure is two holes in the ground, but the team says they held wooden posts that lined up with the Sun on the summer and winter solstices - the longest and shortest days of the year - in the same way as Stonehenge.
The site has been dated to about 5,000 years old, which predates Stonehenge by 500 years. Artefacts were also found at the site, including pottery, flint tools and animal bone, suggesting prehistoric people held gatherings there.
Phil Harding, from Wessex Archaeology, who led the excavation, said it was one of the best finds of his long career. "Two post pits tell me [much] more about the people 5,000 years ago," he said. "This tells me about the whole community, this tells me about how they were thinking, how they were behaving, how they were revering the heavens."
......
The structure, discovered in the village of Bulford, was a much more simple construction made up of just two wooden posts, which have long since rotted away. They were positioned 120m (394ft) apart and estimated to be between 2m and 4m high.
When Harding uncovered the intriguing holes, he noticed that they seemed to line up with the Sun, just like Stonehenge located a few miles away. "I got my pencil and ruler, and I joined them up, and I was aware that they were kind of pointing in the general direction of the sunrise on midsummer," he said.
(BBC article continues, with more details, images and explanations)
While this has absolutely nothing to do with the railways, public transport or indeed any other means of travel, I do recommend it as a fascinating development in our understanding of history.
CfN.

| Re: New ORR data, GWR shrinks 3% in a year In "Across the West" [376094/32145/26] Posted by grahame at 18:41, 18th June 2026 Already liked by GBM | ![]() |
Just had a thought, if the branch lines affected by flooding were operated by short trains, which were suspended, and train lengths on average got shorter, then figures to some extent masking bigger train lengths cuts elsewhere on network
Gotta love stats!














