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Re: The 07:44 service from Henley to Paddington - worst for overcrowding?
 
Re: Twyford Henley 10/11/26 leaf-fall cancellations
Posted by IndustryInsider at 13:04, 11th November 2026
 
... after which, normal service resumed, until around 8:30 this morning when the line appears to have closed once more.

Nothing to do with poor railhead conditions.

The driver swaps over as of the 08:25 from Twyford, having travelling there from Reading, but there were limited options in that regard due to the fatality so they arrived late. 

One return trip was cancelled, and a couple of subsequent ones ran late.  Service recovery being helped by the rather odd 50-minute gap in departures from Henley at the end of the peak from 08:40 to 09:30 on what is otherwise a service every 30-minutes these days.



Re: Twyford Henley 10/11/26 leaf-fall cancellations
Posted by Mark A at 09:07, 11th November 2026
 
... after which, normal service resumed, until around 8:30 this morning when the line appears to have closed once more.

Re: Twyford Henley 10/11/26 leaf-fall cancellations
Posted by Mark A at 21:43, 10th November 2026
 
Thanks for this. The stock *did* venture down to Henley this evening and returned.

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:32386/2026-11-10/detailed#allox_id=0

Re: Twyford Henley 10/11/26 leaf-fall cancellations
Posted by IndustryInsider at 19:23, 10th November 2026
 
Coincided exactly with rain arriving on the scene after a breezy day, so I expect the conditions deteriorated quickly and were considered ‘reportable’ by the driver.

RHTT’s don’t cover the Thames Valley branches, so contamination is managed manually and locally by the Mobile Operations Managers.

RHTT’s show up as Class 3 trains on RTT, as ‘Departmental’ and often with the suffix Sxx for ‘Sand’.

I might be making that last bit up! 

Re: Twyford Henley 10/11/26 leaf-fall cancellations
Posted by Mark A at 17:48, 10th November 2026
 
Also, would Realtimetrains display the path for a railhead treatment train?

Twyford Henley 10/11/26 leaf-fall cancellations
Posted by Mark A at 17:46, 10th November 2026
 
How does this work please? Services on the branch ran 100% to time until the 16:45 from Twyford, which was cancelled along with all subsequent services, as a result of poor railhead conditions. Would it have been that that running services up to that point contributed to deteriorating railhead conditions and the train crew would have been aware that a line was about to be crossed?

(Also me: I didn't realise that the likes of the Henley branch were driver-only operated.)

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/gb-nr:HOT/2026-11-10/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=passenger&order=wtt

Re: Henley branch
Posted by bobm at 15:23, 26th July 2026
 
Replacement unit came from Reading to pick up service with the 11:02 to Marlow.  The Henley service resumed with the 10:45 from Twyford.

Re: Henley branch
Posted by Electric train at 15:17, 26th July 2026
 
Not a good morning in the Thames Valley.   The unit on the Marlow branch has also broken down.  Both have gone back to Reading.

Was only one round trip donkey cancelled listed as problems with the doors

Re: Henley branch
Posted by bobm at 10:21, 26th July 2026
 
Not a good morning in the Thames Valley.   The unit on the Marlow branch has also broken down.  Both have gone back to Reading.

Re: Henley branch
Posted by TaplowGreen at 09:48, 26th July 2026
 
Cancellations to services between Twyford and Henley-On-Thames

Due to a fault on this train between Twyford and Henley-On-Thames all lines are closed.
Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 13:00 26/07.

Remains of "lifted" line on the Henley branch
Posted by Marlburian at 15:58, 17th May 2026
 
Walking in the Shiplake locality this morning, I was delighted to come across the supports of the "lifted" track of the Henley branch where it crosses the Thames near Wargrave. Substantial remains to find on such a short branch.

(And just south of Shiplake Station there are less-impressive brick supports where the Thames Path  goes under the railway after leaving the river.)

I guess that it was Regatta traffic that justified the doubling of the track - seems quite an investment for just a couple of weeks a year. The line was singled in 1961.

Wikipedia

Henley branch
Posted by CyclingSid at 07:32, 14th August 2023
 
Courtesy of the BBC
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-66476504
Sounds like a case of the 850 bus if you go from Twyford, or either the 800 (misses Twyford) or 850 from Reading.

Henley-on-Thames station 1957
Posted by Marlburian at 03:43, 14th August 2020
 
The Sony Movies Classic TV channel is screening the 1957 film "The Key" several times around now, including tomorrow, Saturday at 1830, and subsequently (though listing websites give conflicting times).

Mainly filmed in Portland and Weymouth and with concluding scenes at Henley Station, says Reelstreets

I strongly suspect that the tender loco backing out has "modern" livery, whereas the film is based in 1941.

(The Peter Sellars film, "Two-Way Stretch" has also been screened recently, with scenes shot at Windsor & Eton Station.)

Re: Henley line improvements - May 2017
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:29, 1st October 2017
 
As all henley kine tickets are also valid at Twyford, that can't happen otherwise Twyford pax will simply buy a Henley ticket as they become cheaper, and if Twyford were included, then station(s) up from Twford would buy Twyford tickets

With thanks for your post, ChrisB, and having read it twice, I now understand that you are referring to Henley Line tickets and their validity at Twyford.

Yes, I know you have problems in posting from your mobile device. 


Re: Henley line improvements - May 2017
Posted by ChrisB at 11:34, 1st October 2017
 
As all henley kine tickets are also valid at Twyford, that can't happen otherwise Twyford pax will simply buy a Henley ticket as they become cheaper, and if Twyford were included, then station(s) up from Twford would buy Twyford tickets

Re: Henley line improvements - May 2017
Posted by SEPS at 17:52, 30th September 2017
 
Come early 2018 there will be no direct Henley to London trains at all.  So commuters will add to the congestion on other services from Twyford - that is after standing from Henley and then tramping across the footbridge at Twyford.  The price of tickets ought to be going down to reflect the poorer service not up by RPI plus - more complaints I anticipate.

Re: Henley line improvements - May 2017
Posted by Sixty3Closure at 01:05, 30th September 2017
 
In a very unscientific way I'd noticed a increase in passengers on my regular train the 06.53 Twyford to Paddington so this might be one of the causes.Regulars from Henley had said the earlier trains were getting more crowded as well.

Two cars works fine during the day and weekends but I can well believe its causing problems in the morning. I've given up on the direct to London trains from Henley as they're so overcrowded.

Re: Henley line improvements - May 2017
Posted by TaplowGreen at 20:27, 20th September 2017
 
It's not just the branches, there are a lot of local services on the LTV main line that have been cut to 2 coaches, whether this is due to the mythical "more trains than usual needing repairs" or prematurely sending Turbos West (or a combination of the two) who knows............then again with Turbos being used instead of HSTs on several peak services now I guess something had to give.

Re: Henley line improvements - May 2017
Posted by IndustryInsider at 16:01, 20th September 2017
 
It sounds like a 3-car would make a sufficient difference for a short journey like that, so hopefully that will be provided sooner rather than later.

Re: Henley line improvements - May 2017
Posted by grahame at 15:35, 20th September 2017
 
The old 0742 direct to Paddington was 4 car - full and standing from Twyford

The new 0738 to Twyford with a connection to London is 2 car (supposedly 3 car from 2018) and most days (Mon - Thursday) full and standing from Henley

Very useful indeed to read that, thank you.

It looks like a very good illustration of where the headline changes that are positive on the main line have side effects that may be less positive for branches and connections.  Very much a cautionary tale;  the network needs rather better than "set up the main line trains to be really great, then see what's left for the branches" ... the timetable for when all the works are completed needs to look at passenger's journeys as a whole.

Re: Henley line improvements - May 2017
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 14:28, 20th September 2017
 
Thank you for posting those details, SEPS - and a warm welcome to the Coffee Shop forum! 


Re: Henley line improvements - May 2017
Posted by SEPS at 21:46, 19th September 2017
 
The old 0742 direct to Paddington was 4 car - full and standing from Twyford

The new 0738 to Twyford with a connection to London is 2 car (supposedly 3 car from 2018) and most days (Mon - Thursday) full and standing from Henley

Re: Henley line improvements - May 2017
Posted by TaplowGreen at 21:26, 9th September 2017
 
"Lack of diesel rolling stock"..............I didn't think there was a shortage, just more of it "than usual" needing repairs at the same time? 

Re: Henley line improvements - May 2017
Posted by bobm at 20:56, 9th September 2017
 
There also wouldn't be so much of a time saving skipping Shiplake due to the level crossing there.

Re: Henley line improvements - May 2017
Posted by ChrisB at 20:20, 9th September 2017
 
So how long was the old 0742? Seems more are now using the new 0738 than the old direct service which I find hard to believe.

If the old 0742 was overcrowded too, its not really surprising it still is. Anyone know?

Re: Henley line improvements - May 2017
Posted by grahame at 13:36, 9th September 2017
 
From the Henley Standard

PASSENGERS have criticised a new early morning train service on the Henley branch line, saying it is overcrowded.

The old 7.42am direct service from Henley to Paddington, which took 45 minutes, was replaced on Monday by a new service leaving Henley at 7.38am and requiring a change at Twyford but giving a total journey time of 43 minutes.

The service has two carriages as far as Twyford, where passengers change to an eight-car train coming from Didcot.

Great Western Railway says that due to a lack of diesel rolling stock, the two-car shuttle will be run on the branch line until the new year, when the new electric trains will be used on the main line.

But commuters say the trains are too short for the line and could lead to some passengers missing the connection at Twyford.

Patricia Mulcahy, of the Henley Branch User Group, said: “Those who were not expecting this change will have had an unpleasant surprise. Two cars are not sufficient for this crowded service.

“The only remaining through service from Henley to Paddington is the 7.08am, which will also cease to be a through service at the end of December. None of these changes benefit branch line users. GWR’s strategy is to maximise the use of its trains by ‘cascading’ trains to the West Country.”

Re: Henley line improvements - May 2017
Posted by IndustryInsider at 11:41, 27th March 2017
 
Thanks for clarifying the Shiplake situation.  It's disappointing that electrification is now delayed/cancelled and as a local user I can understand how you perceive it as unfair, but I would agree with you a lot more if the service was being meaningfully reduced, but, I repeat, there are no reductions in peak times and only one less train per day in each direction.

Re: Henley line improvements - May 2017
Posted by Silver at 11:28, 27th March 2017
 
Mrs May is indeed involved and pushing Mark Hopwood very hard on this, there have been meeting with her and much correspondence flowing.  Her local MP responsibilities continue alongside her role as PM, however, her view does probably carry a little more weight.

The changes were supposed to be a short term measure as a 30 minute shuttle is possible once the line is electrified.  However, the change has been brought-in and electrification delayed.  There is currently no firm date for electrification of the line.

Wargrave is skipped ahead of Shiplake due to trains being able to accelerate quicker when stopping at Shiplake,, but I agree Shiplake and Wargrave have similar profiles so it would be fairer to skip each alternatively.

I appreciate the benefits for Henley, but I’m sure you would be disappointed if your local station started to receive a reduced service for the benefit of others.  Arriving at Twyford to find that the next Henley service does not stop at Wargrave and hence having to wait for it to go and come back before you catch it does not feel like a good experience or a minor inconvenience.

Many Wargrave residents are concerned about where this could go.  Reduced service results in less passengers choosing to use the station which results in GWR saying there is not the demand for the station resulting in the service being further reduced or stopped.  We already know they struggle to count the number of users so who knows what stats they could come up with to justify further reductions.

Re: Henley line improvements - May 2017
Posted by IndustryInsider at 10:38, 27th March 2017
 
I understand your points, Silver.  Let me try to counter them.

1)  The Henley Regatta affects just three weekdays a year.  I do agree that a gesture towards season ticket holders from Wargrave for those three days would be fair.
2)  The reduction in frequency from Wargrave results in the loss of just one train per day in each direction.  Peak services remain practically identical to today, off-peak services (09:00-17:00) currently depart Wargrave for Twyford at 09:08, 09:43, 10:16, 11:01, 11:46, 12:31, 13:16, 14:01, 14:46, 15:31 and 16:27.  In the new timetable they are 09:09, 09:44, 10:29, 11:30, 12:30, 13:30, 14:30, 15:30, 16:00 and 16:31.  So a much more memorable pattern and just one train less, yet it gives Henley (and Shiplake) residents an extra four trains per day.
3) Henley has three times the population of Wargrave and facilities that are more likely to attract people to visit it.  Station usage figures indicate eight people use Henley for ever one that uses Wargrave, and even if passenger numbers are skewed by the reasons you state there's no doubting it is much busier, and, importantly, has much more potential for growth that hopefully the extra trains and more clockface timetable will provide.

So, for those reasons I think the wider benefits outweigh the small drawback of losing one train per day each way at Wargrave.  My only question is why Wargrave loses out and not Shiplake?

Re: Henley line improvements - May 2017
Posted by The Tall Controller at 10:19, 27th March 2017
 
I'm pretty sure Mrs May has bigger things to be worrying about at this moment in time with all due respect.

Whilst you have every right to vote with your feet, I'm sure there will be many more voting with theirs and taking advantage of an improved frequency that wouldn't otherwise have been possible without missing a call at Wargrave every other service.

Re: Henley line improvements - May 2017
Posted by Silver at 07:58, 27th March 2017
 
Yes, a much welcome improvement.   45-minute frequencies are a nightmare to remember as they don't repeat themselves for four hours, 30-minute frequencies are a doddle to remember. 

Even for Wargrave, I would suggest an hourly service is actually better than the current 45-minute off-peak frequency as it's easy to remember, as long as a more frequent peak service is offered at a similar level to today, and that will indeed be the case.

Living in Wargrave I and just about every other local user I have spoken to would disagree with you.....

Our local MP and Prime Minister is protesting hard on our behalf to GWR.  We already get a second class service during the Henley Regatta, this now appears to being extended for the full year.  I didn't see a reduction in my season ticket price as a result of either not being able to travel at peak times during Regatta (Wargrave stops missed and no link with the London Service) and now for a reduction in frequency off-peak.  I have voted with my feat and not renewed, choosing instead to drive into London.  Maybe when Crossrail and electrification are complete I will look to move back to the train. 

The usage stats GWR use to justify the changes are somewhat flawed, the difference in numbers travelling to Henley are skewed by a) counting Regatta week high usage when Wargrave is already missed from 50%+ of the schedule; and b) no ticket purchasing facilities at Wargrave meaning collating numbers travelling from the station difficult.  Passenger counts by local users at Wargrave show much higher usage of the station than the GWR stats, including at off peak times.

Re: Henley line improvements - May 2017
Posted by Noggin at 22:28, 26th March 2017
 
All we need now is for the Marlow branch to follow suit, technically a tad more difficult

In Bourne End alone:

1) From the designs for Portishead it seems you'd be unlikely to be allowed a level crossing on a reopening, so that's Station Road and Cores End Road needing over-bridges, both of which would be very difficult, if not impossible.
2) By guess is the Boston Drive Offices would cost you well north of £5m to CPO, you'd probably have to be fairy generous with compensation.

Re: Henley line improvements - May 2017
Posted by TaplowGreen at 14:52, 26th March 2017
 
All we need now is for the Marlow branch to follow suit, technically a tad more difficult

However we seem very squeamish about knocking down house and other buildings and also Level Crossings.

.....and quite rightly so!




Edit note: Quote marks fixed, for clarity. CfN.

Re: Henley line improvements - May 2017
Posted by eightf48544 at 12:07, 26th March 2017
 
All we need now is for the Marlow branch to follow suit, technically a tad more difficult

Preferably heavy rail through to High Wycombe. However we seem very squeamish about knocking down house and other buildings and also Level Crossings.

Re: Henley line improvements - May 2017
Posted by Electric train at 07:42, 24th March 2017
 
All we need now is for the Marlow branch to follow suit, technically a tad more difficult

Re: Henley line improvements - May 2017
Posted by IndustryInsider at 23:24, 23rd March 2017
 
Yes, a much welcome improvement.   45-minute frequencies are a nightmare to remember as they don't repeat themselves for four hours, 30-minute frequencies are a doddle to remember. 

Even for Wargrave, I would suggest an hourly service is actually better than the current 45-minute off-peak frequency as it's easy to remember, as long as a more frequent peak service is offered at a similar level to today, and that will indeed be the case.

Henley line improvements - May 2017
Posted by Adelante_CCT at 19:53, 23rd March 2017
 
Don't think it has been properly discussed yet but from the 21st May, services on the Twyford to Henley branch are increasing to half-hourly during the daytime 7 days a week. This being up from every 45 minutes on a weekday and hourly on a weekend.
This does however include 1 train per hour in each direction NOT calling at Wargrave.


Re: Users Group fear Henley Branch in jeopardy following electrification delay
Posted by Noggin at 14:42, 15th November 2016
 
Seems like hysterical nonsense.

Well-patronised branchlines are hardly going to be chopped. The Turbos are barely middle aged, they have a shiny new depot in Reading, and until someone figures out what to do with the North Downs line there will remain plenty of DMU work to justify the depot and DMU drivers link. 

Whilst electrification of the Henley Branch would bring slightly faster services and the remote possibility of some through electric services to London, at the end of of the day it's a branch line with a couple of intermediate halts, Crossrail isn't going to run down it, it is not going to enable the building of masses of new housing, and so the large sums of money required to electrify it would really be better spent where they can have an impact. And that's before the question of the reaction of NIMBY's to OHLE.


Re: Users Group fear Henley Branch in jeopardy following electrification delay
Posted by paul7575 at 12:03, 15th November 2016
 
The Marlow Branch was put on hold ages ago ............. "due to unforeseen technical difficulties" mainly down to platform length at Bourne End
Nothing to do with the present difficulties, that had already been formally kicked into the long grass.   Mentioning it in this context suggests that the user group are not completely on the ball.     But to imply that the branches would close if the DMUs became life expired is faintly ridiculous, so what is the basic purpose of the story other than to self publicise?

Paul

Re: Users Group fear Henley Branch in jeopardy following electrification delay
Posted by ChrisB at 10:32, 15th November 2016
 
But that article makes *no* reference to this - so a wasted press opportunity?

The press now won't be interested in a Shiplake/Wargrave update.

Re: Users Group fear Henley Branch in jeopardy following electrification delay
Posted by eightf48544 at 10:23, 15th November 2016
 
The last two lines of the piece are also significant.

"Great Western Railway says a new timetable for the Henley branch line will go ahead as planned in May despite this week’s announcement.

The timetable will introduce a half-hourly shuttle service during off-peak times, replacing the current service which runs every 45 minutes."

As Grahame points out what it  doesn't say is that to give a robust 30 minute frequency Off Peak Wargrave/Shiplake drops to hourly frequency, they are protesting furiously saying that they are getting a worse service than they've had. 1 tph instead of 1.3. They still get a 30 minute frequency in the peak.

Twyford and Wargrave are in the PM's constituency Henley is not.

My wife goes from Taplow to Henley occasionally and working out the trains to connect at Twyford is a nightmare at 45 minute frequency.

 I'd far rather a regular 60 minute service with proper connections at Twyford than a 45 minute service with irregular connections.

HBUG wants the 30 minute frequency which is why some Wargrave users have resigned. Pity "United we stand divided we fall"




Re: Users Group fear Henley Branch in jeopardy following electrification delay
Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:57, 15th November 2016
 
I am sure the TV branches will get wired in the more medium term, but with the new model of funding adopted by Government it may mean the towns folk of Henley may have to dip into their pockets, Bucks CC may source some funding for Marlow.

......so "Building a Greater West" is now to be on a "Pay as you go" basis? I think the taxpayer pocket is being dipped by NR and (picked by the TOCs) pretty deeply already

Re: Users Group fear Henley Branch in jeopardy following electrification delay
Posted by grahame at 05:51, 15th November 2016
 
From the Henley Standard

THE future of the Henley branch line is in jeopardy following the decision to put its electrification on hold indefinitely, say rail campaigners.

“We have always feared that if the branch line was not electrified, and continued to rely on diesel trains, the long- term future of the line would be in jeopardy once the owners and operators of the diesel trains decided they were too expensive/difficult to service.

“Branch line users need to understand the seriousness of this situation, which is a threat to the economic future of the line and the people it serves.”

[snip]

Mr Howell said he felt “very disappointed” and he would take up the issue with the minister as well as seeking assurances that the line would not be closed.

[snip]

Great Western Railway says a new timetable for the Henley branch line will go ahead as planned in May despite this week’s announcement.

The timetable will introduce a half-hourly shuttle service during off-peak times, replacing the current service which runs every 45 minutes.

Thanks for posting that, bobm ...

I can understand the disappointment, but a drop from the premier to the championship (in railway terms) doesn't mean dropping out of the league; growth over the years looks good according to ORR stats, with 960,000 passengers journeys a year on the branch (assuming minimal local traffic between Henley-on-Thames, Wargrave and Shiplake) with around 18,000 services - that equates to an average of over 50 people using each train.   That ain't gonna go away.

Noting the increase to half hourly trains, where there may be an issue (?) is in keeping to time with diesel trains and Shiplake and Wargrave may be skip-stopped, reducing the current 45 minute service to a 60 minute one.   Not clever for them, but perhaps there's an advantage in clock-face for the whole line in making consistent connections and in being able to publicise and generate new traffic from an easy and un-confusing timetable?  And for Henley-on-Thames, the future's getting towards a "turn up and ride" service level.

Re: Users Group fear Henley Branch in jeopardy following electrification delay
Posted by Electric train at 22:18, 14th November 2016
 
And the constituency MP for Twyford is ..................... oh its the same MP for Maidenhead, Furze Platt and Cookham which happens to be the current Prime Minister ........................

Not sure she would survive the 2020 general election if those rail service where chopped.

The Marlow Branch was put on hold ages ago ............. "due to unforeseen technical difficulties" mainly down to platform length at Bourne End

I am sure the TV branches will get wired in the more medium term, but with the new model of funding adopted by Government it may mean the towns folk of Henley may have to dip into their pockets, Bucks CC may source some funding for Marlow.

Re: Users Group fear Henley Branch in jeopardy following electrification delay
Posted by ChrisB at 21:05, 14th November 2016
 
Agreed.

Interestingly, I subscribe to both email & twitter feeds from HBUG & nithing has come through those channels....

Re: Users Group fear Henley Branch in jeopardy following electrification delay
Posted by IndustryInsider at 19:22, 14th November 2016
 
So the service frequency is improving in May, but some people think the line might close because it's not going to become one of the few electrified branch lines in the country. 

Given the affluent town it serves I would be amazed if it was ever under threat of closure.

Users Group fear Henley Branch in jeopardy following electrification delay
Posted by bobm at 17:21, 14th November 2016
 
From the Henley Standard

THE future of the Henley branch line is in jeopardy following the decision to put its electrification on hold indefinitely, say rail campaigners.

The work on the line, along with the Marlow branch line, is one of four projects to be deferred following an announcement by rail minister Paul Maynard on Tuesday.

Commuters and campaigners joined councillors and Henley MP John Howell in expressing disappointment at the decision.

Electrification of the line was originally due to be completed in December next year but had already been put back as late as 2019 before the announcement.

Mr Maynard said the decision would save money at both the Department for Transport and Network Rail, which is facing a £2.5 billion funding black hole.

The other electrification projects to be deferred are the lines from Oxford to Didcot Parkway, Bristol Parkway to Bristol Temple Meads and Bath Spa to Bristol Temple Meads. Patricia Mulcahy, who chairs the Henley Branch User Group, said: “This is a severe blow to our hopes for the future of the line.

“We have always feared that if the branch line was not electrified, and continued to rely on diesel trains, the long- term future of the line would be in jeopardy once the owners and operators of the diesel trains decided they were too expensive/difficult to service.

“Branch line users need to understand the seriousness of this situation, which is a threat to the economic future of the line and the people it serves.”

She said the announcement hadn’t come as a great surprise after Great Western Railway managing director Mark Hopwood had hinted at it in a recent meeting with passenger groups from Maidenhead and Marlow and then cancelled a meeting with her group at short notice.

“HBUG will now press for that meeting to happen as soon as possible,” said Mrs Mulcahy.

Town, district and county councillor David Nimmo Smith said: “Disappointing does not even come close to my view on this.

“I knew that the electrification from Paddington to Bristol was way over budget and very late but I had hoped that the promises to give Henley and Shiplake the kind of rail service being provided elsewhere would be delivered.

“We had heard recently that Network Rail was protecting its ability to electrify the branch line. All a sham.

“I will be taking this up with John Howell to see what we can salvage from this announcement.”

Mr Howell said he felt “very disappointed” and he would take up the issue with the minister as well as seeking assurances that the line would not be closed.

“I can understand why they have chosen this project to be deferred but it will still be disappointing for residents of Henley who wanted to see electrification of the line,” he said.

Oxfordshire transport campaigner Hugh Jaeger said: “The blow for Henley is that it was told back in February that electrification could be as late as 2019 and now it has been put back even further with no dates in sight.

“All the trains for the line have been ordered and cost millions of pounds each, so what are they going to do with them? There are questions over how well this project has been managed.”

Councillor Rodney Rose, deputy leader of Oxfordshire County Council said: “The council is disappointed at the deferral of GWR electrification, especially as revised timescales for completing the project have not been confirmed, although we understand that Government needs to prioritise funding for the most beneficial rail projects.

“Oxfordshire’s top priority is East West Rail and the early delivery of this project that Government has already committed to would demonstrate that badly needed investment in the railway is able to come forward to meet Oxfordshire and national growth needs.”

Mr Maynard said holding back on the electrification projects would allow newer and bigger trains to be introduced on the lines without requiring “costly and disruptive electrification works”.

He said: “This will provide between £146 million and £165 million in this spending period, to be focused on improvements that will deliver additional benefits to passengers.

“We remain committed to modernising the Great Western main line and ensuring that passenger benefits are achieved.

“This decision underscores the Government’s approach to wider rail investment, that passenger outcomes must be delivered in conjunction with achieving the best value from every pound spent.”

Mark Langman, Network Rail’s Western route managing director, said: “The Great Western main line is undergoing a huge rail investment programme to enable new and upgraded trains with more seats and faster, greener journeys.

“The programme remains complex and challenging but good progress is being made.”

Great Western Railway says a new timetable for the Henley branch line will go ahead as planned in May despite this week’s announcement.

The timetable will introduce a half-hourly shuttle service during off-peak times, replacing the current service which runs every 45 minutes.

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by Oxonhutch at 09:37, 3rd June 2015
 
I'm I right in thinking the new arrangement wouldn't allow (which I think used to be possible?) two units to follow each other down the branch and join at Henley.
The Down Home - tantalisingly too far away from Mill Lane bridge to be seen easily - had a set of calling-on cats eyes for just that move.  But like you, I never saw that happen - even during the annual Henley Regatta. It does beg the question (that you posed) as to why now have a starter at all.  When I used the branch, a starting service always used to accelerate up to the starter and then break heavily, down to a low speed, as the starter was passed. I don't know if that was something to do with TPWS or a mandatory brake test.

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by autotank at 06:49, 3rd June 2015
 
So I've travelled the line a few times since the new signalling came in and I have a couple of questions.

Now that the down home at Henley has been replaced by a fixed distance, what is the point of having an up starter at Henley? Would it still allow in theory 2 (or 3!) units to run down to Henley then split forming two departures in a row?

I'm I right in thinking the new arrangement wouldn't allow (which I think used to be possible?) two units to follow each other down the branch and join at Henley.

Not that I've seen either of the above ever happen - the branch is just operated as a long siding, and has been for the 25 years I've been using it!

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by Visoflex at 10:08, 1st June 2015
 
The driver also now has a short walk if he wants to use the phone.

This is a result of new standards.  Signal Post Telephones are now provided in front of the signal.  They are usually located where the driver would stop his train when the signal was red anyway. It was deemed to be safer than having the SPT on the signal post.  The driver's clear vision of all the aspects and the associated identification plate is not now limited by the length of the handset cord.  There are some locations where this is not possible, and there is a load of paperwork that has to be raised to justify the decision.


Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by SandTEngineer at 22:55, 12th April 2015
 
Any reason for dispensing with the B in the theatre box?

This is a fault. Drivers are speaking to TVSC Twyford to confirm route is set for Bay or Relief.

I have since found a 2011 Signalling Scheme Plan that shows the signal as having the two route indications as previously (B and R).

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by insider at 22:25, 12th April 2015
 
Any reason for dispensing with the B in the theatre box?

This is a fault. Drivers are speaking to TVSC Twyford to confirm route is set for Bay or Relief.

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by SandTEngineer at 22:19, 12th April 2015
 
With modern signalling principles it is not necessary to show a route indication for the straight route if it is the higher speed route (to the bay line in this case).  I will have a check of the Signalling Scheme Plan when I'm back at work.

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by bobm at 20:48, 12th April 2015
 
But it isn't lit. The old signal always showed a B for the bay or R for the relief line. I have never seen it show a proceed aspect without one or the other.

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by stuving at 20:32, 12th April 2015
 
Any reason for dispensing with the B in the theatre box?

Are you sure it's not still there? After all, an LED signal head only needs two lamps. If you zoom in, the top one looks different from the other two - and it's even square.

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by bobm at 17:25, 12th April 2015
 
Any reason for dispensing with the B in the theatre box?

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by Network SouthEast at 17:21, 12th April 2015
 
Bobm, there is still a position light on the signal. It is now integrated into the main signal head, that's all.

The location of the telephone is a moot point as the majority of calls will be made using the GSM-R radio, and of course trains should be stopped short of the signal anyway, so if anything the walk for the driver is a shorter one 

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by bobm at 07:51, 12th April 2015
 
The last of the old type filament bulb signals have been replaced on the Henley branch.



This is the final signal before the bay at Twyford.  I note the new signal no longer displays a B when trains are routed into the bay platform and there is no calling on signal anymore.  The driver also now has a short walk if he wants to use the phone.

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by Silver at 20:58, 16th November 2014
 
I would question what proportion of the Henley annual usage occurs during the Regatta when there is already an enhance Henley service at the cost of stops at Wargrave and how many additional passengers would be recorded at Wargrave if there were ticket buying facilities at the station......

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by grahame at 20:47, 16th November 2014
 
and 2 on and 2 off each train as it calls at each of Shiplake and Wargrave.

Can you think of any stations which might welcome the hourly service Wargrave could move to, and which probably will be averaging more per train than it?

I can indeed - there's a certain station in a residential area not too far from where I live that 60 passenger trains a day pass through, but stops are curiously erratic like a 3 hour gap in the morning peak to the nearest city, which is just 2 stops away ... 4 trains run through non-stop during those three hours, and the train at the end of the three hour gap terminates after one stop leaving you with a 50 minute wait.

BUT this is not about comparisons in that way - especially on a branch, the CRP / user group / local communities should put their heads together, and with the train operator and Network Rail as appropriate ... not up to those of us far away to be the experts for them, and work out their balance - they are best placed to do that.

P.S.  For all I know, there could be ticket anomalies on the Henley branch as there have been from Dorking West to Lelant, and from Dorchester to Tyndrum

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:23, 16th November 2014
 
Cough, splutter. 

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by John R at 20:15, 16th November 2014
 
and 2 on and 2 off each train as it calls at each of Shiplake and Wargrave.

Can you think of any stations which might welcome the hourly service Wargrave could move to, and which probably will be averaging more per train than it?

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by grahame at 20:08, 16th November 2014
 
To help me understand this, I did a bit of maths:

Passenger counts (or rather ticket data) for year to March 2013:
Henley-on-Thames - 727994
Shiplake - 93466
Wargrave - 91298

Line currently has 8,500 or so round trips per year.  So that's an average of 42 passenger off and 42 passengers on to each train at Henley-on-Thames, and 2 on and 2 off each train as it calls at each of Shiplake and Wargrave.

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:40, 16th November 2014
 
From the Henley Standard:

Wargrave rail travellers lose out



Rail travellers in Wargrave are upset at plans to reduce the frequency of train services to and from the village.

Home Secretary and Maidenhead MP Theresa May is among those to protest to train operator First Great Western.

The company is proposing to run half-hour shuttle trains between Henley and Twyford, via Shiplake, all day whereas currently the off-peak service is every 45 minutes.

This was one of the ideas it put forward to improve the Henley branch line after complaints by commuters about delays. But it would result in only an hourly off-peak service to and from Wargrave.

Philip Meadowcroft, of Watermans Way, Wargrave, said the move would be a ^serious setback^ for people travelling to and from the village by train between 10am and 3pm. He said: ^I think Wargrave could continue to cope with 45-minute services like Henley and Shiplake do but this could be an attempt to be too clever by half. The present situation is reasonable, not brilliant, and you would like to tweak it but this is a flawed plan because it has very little margin for punctuality. Of critical concern will be the amount of time connecting at Twyford for onward journeys.^

Mr Meadowcroft claimed the Henley Branch User Group, which was formed in April to represent the views of passengers in Henley, Shiplake and Wargrave, had not done enough to involve Wargrave residents in discussions with FGW.

He will now represent the village on the group along with parish councillor Chez Payne-Annetts.

Mr Meadowcroft said: ^I have about 40 people plugging into my emails to see what^s going on and I^m confident we have got enough interest here. We don^t want to get to loggerheads with Henley BUG but this all started because Henley users got fed up and contacted their MP. They didn^t engage with Wargrave and all this went as far as it did without any input from us.^

In a statement, Mrs May said: ^m really concerned about any reduction in services from Wargrave and I am surprised that this proposal has come forward, seemingly without any input from Wargrave commuters. I^ve asked First Great Western to come clean on their plans and have been clear there should be no changes that lead to a worse service for Wargrave commuters.^

Neil Gunnell, who co-founded the Henley user group, said that losing a stop at Wargrave was inevitable if the new services were to run on time. He said: ^Effectively you have to do shorter trips because you can^t quite fit the whole journey into half an hour. You have to lose a station but it^s not going to be Twyford or Henley because they are at the two ends of the line. That leaves Shiplake or Wargrave.

^There^s a level crossing at Shiplake where the train has to slow down already so to get to half hourly services they would have to drop the stop at Wargrave. The half-hourly peak-time services already get quite a lot of delays. To do a half-hourly service all day is quite hard but for two hours at a time they might manage it. When the track gets electrified the electric trains will be able to go faster and then First Great Western will be able to go for half-hourly services all day.^

Mr Gunnell added: ^We have tried to get Wargrave representation in the past and had posters at Wargrave station.^

A First Great Western spokesman said: ^The plans we are about to put forward for consultation are about balancing the needs of all rail users. With complex timetables inevitably you can^t improve services for the majority of users without having an impact on others. Wargrave will see an increase in the total number of services.^

Re: Saturday 8th November - dreadful Henley connections
Posted by grahame at 08:01, 9th November 2014
 
This is a situation that is could so easily be solved with a bit of simple retiming of the branch service and would dramatically reduce journey times. Let^s hope this is picked up on and doesn^t happen in the future when engineering works are taking place on Saturdays.

Questions to be asked if you're suggesting going 13 minutes later ...

- what proportion of passengers arriving into Twyford from the north (i.e. Wargrave, Shiplake, Henley) change to other trains at Twyford - in other words, how many local passengers are there arriving at Tywford to do something there, or connecting onwards into buses, taxis, cars, etc?   And are there local passengers intermediate passengers connecting at branch stations / to or from buses (in particular) who's connections would be damaged?

- how is the local communications network to people in the area to let them know of changes?   Are people going to turn up at the branch line stations are start a bit miffed because they didn't know about the change and "feel" they are starting late?

- would the change have any effect of crew rotas / robustness of service (for example, is there an anticipation of erratic delays to trains arriving at Twyford due to short engineering stops anywhere which would break new connections)

My guess is that you'll come back with "not a problem on most of the above, but these are considerations needed.  A significant change of timetable for occasional / a few weekends really has negative vibes - on the TransWilts we've got some weekend passenger who are metaphorically pulling their hair out trying to find the right one of four different Sunday timetables over an 8 month period, and that's before a layer of engineering changes on specific / pairs / groups is added to make it all the more frustrating.  Yet ... we do understand why, we were warned well ahead of time (short notice changes still frustrate and we ain't got the comms totally right on that one yet).

There was talk for the Marlow and Henley branches of setting up a CRP ... and indeed an increased passenger involvement, perhaps as an expansion of the user group but pulling in the local authorities too would help in poking into and informing people on things like this.  I know the local user groups has been looking at expanding in that way and it sounds to me, as an outsider to the area, sensible.  It also sounds like a challenge with (as I understand it) six local authorities involved.

Saturday 8th November - dreadful Henley connections
Posted by autotank at 05:05, 9th November 2014
 
There was a revised service running on Saturday 8th November between Reading and London which meant only 2 stopping trains an hour at Twyford instead of the usual 4. Nothing unusual about that - it has been happening reasonably frequently over the past few weeks, and will no doubt happen quite a bit more in the coming years for upgrade work.
 
Although posters said that the Henley branch was operating an amended timetable, there were only very minor tweaks - clearly nobody at FGW had put any thought into it as the connections in both directions were awful!
 
Arrival from:
Reading xx27 -23 minute wait for Henley departure at xx50
London xx25 - 25 minute wait for Henley departure at xx50
Henley xx36 - 19 minute wait for London train at xx55 and a 21 minute wait for a Reading train at xx57

This is a situation that is could so easily be solved with a bit of simple retiming of the branch service and would dramatically reduce journey times. Let^s hope this is picked up on and doesn^t happen in the future when engineering works are taking place on Saturdays.


Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by eightf48544 at 11:44, 2nd November 2014
 
It depresses me when politicians mouth off like this without bothering to find out the details beforehand. Pre-electrification can either keep the current service, or increase it's frequency offering a much more attractive service to Henley (730k ons and offs), at a slight detriment (but more regular interval service) to one of the intermediate stations (each around 90k ons and offs).

It seems to me that the above figures suggest that the 30 minute srervice to Shiplake and Henley gives the best service to 90% of the users.

Also as others have said it much easier to remember when the trains run with a 30 minute and hourly regualr interval service rather than a 45 minute one. The other important factor to my mind is that  it will give the same connections to and from Paddington (and intermediate stations) and Reading.

Making planning a journey to Henley from Taplow much easier. (optitians) 

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by JayMac at 12:09, 1st November 2014
 
First Great Western's Service Level Commitment:

From Henley in the morning, between 0630 and 0915, a twice hourly service HAS to be provided, with one gap of 45 minutes allowed. Also, a twice hourly service from Henley to Twyford HAS to provided from 1730 to 2030.

From Twyford in the evening, between 1715 and 2015, a twice hourly service HAS to be provided. In the morning, toward Henley between 0615 and 1015, two additional services in addition the the baseline hourly service, HAVE to be provided.

These commitments apply to all station calls on the line.

So the majority of commuters (those travelling in the morning and evening peaks in either direction) have a protected twice hourly service. The nature of the line precludes a clockface half hourly pattern, but between the specified hours FGW are providing the requisite number of services.

Outside these hours, the minimum requirement is an hourly service in each direction calling all stations. Currently, roughly one service every 45 minutes is provided off peak, so I'm not quite sure what Ms May is complaining about. If she wants FGW to provide a twice hourly service off peak, in addition to the protected twice hourly peak service, then she really needs to be speaking with her cabinet colleague Mr McLoughlin to get the the DfT to include such a twice hourly service throughout the day in the Service Level Commitment.

Just how inconvenienced would Ms May's 'Wargrave commuters' be if FGW were to offer the minimum Service Level Commitment of an hourly service between 10am and 5pm instead of the current 45 minute one? I ask from an operational and cost point of view, not because I'd want to see a service reduction.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by John R at 11:59, 1st November 2014
 
It depresses me when politicians mouth off like this without bothering to find out the details beforehand. Pre-electrification can either keep the current service, or increase it's frequency offering a much more attractive service to Henley (730k ons and offs), at a slight detriment (but more regular interval service) to one of the intermediate stations (each around 90k ons and offs).

So tell me, Theresa, you can only choose one, which is it to be?


Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by BBM at 10:53, 1st November 2014
 
From the Twyford Advertiser:

Theresa May seeking answers over rumoured reduction in Wargrave train services



Twyford MP Theresa May has expressed concern about a rumoured reduction in train services from Wargrave.

As part of proposals to introduce a daily shuttle service between Henley and Twyford, it has been suggested that trains will stop at Wargrave less frequently than at present.

This could mean Wargrave will receive only an hourly service.

A statement from Theresa May's office said that Wargrave commuters have reacted with alarm to the plans and many have contacted her to express their concern.

The Home Secretary has written to the managing director of FGW to ask him to clarify what plans they have for Wargrave services.

The statement said Mrs May has 'made clear' no changes should occur that are detrimental to Wargrave commuters.

She said: ^Yet again it looks like we have to go into battle to protect Wargrave^s train service.

"I^m really concerned about any reduction in services from Wargrave and I am surprised that this proposal has come forward, seemingly without any input from Wargrave commuters.

"I^ve asked FGW to come clean on their plans and have been clear there should be no changes that lead to a worse service for Wargrave commuters.^

A spokesman for First Great Western said he was aware they have been working with a new Henley rail user group about improving services.

He added he was not sure if any options put forward will impact Wargrave and is looking into it further.

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:12, 5th October 2014
 
From Henley on Thames News:

Henley line could have shuttle trains by December


A train pulls in to Henley Station.

Half-hourly shuttle trains between Henley and Twyford could be introduced by December. The trains would run both ways every day via Shiplake.

This was one of the improvements put forward by train operator First Great Western to improve the Henley branch line after complaints by commuters about delays.

The timetable change would mean an hourly service to and from Wargrave with the aim of restoring a half-hourly service when the line is electrified.

There would also be an earlier service from Twyford to Henley on Sunday mornings and a later service from Paddington to Henley in the evenings.

A second lot of changes, which would come into force in May, would see faster and more regular services from Paddington to Henley with a maximum journey time of 49 minutes, compared with up to 63 minutes currently.

The Henley Branch User Group presented the proposals to members of the public during a meeting at the town hall on Thursday last week.Members of the group^s committee agreed to support the proposals.

Councillor Will Hamilton, who represents Henley Town Council on the group, said: ^The thought of going from 45 minutes to a 30-minute shuttle is fantastic. The big question is capacity ^ they are really going to have to look at that.^

Marco Taylor, who represents Twyford, raised concerns about overcrowding and asked First Great Western to consider how the number of passengers using the services would be managed.

The group was formed in April after a meeting organised by Henley MP John Howell following complaints to him about rail services.

Cllr Hamilton formally thanked Patrick Fleming and Neil Gunnell, the group^s founding members. He said: ^I want to thank you for the enormous amount of work that has gone into this already. This would never have happened if you hadn^t got together. This first response is remarkably good.^

The group would like feedback from commuters on the proposals and is looking for a representative from Wargrave to join the committee. Anyone interested should email henleybranchusergroup@gmail.com

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 01:12, 18th April 2014
 
From the Henley Standard:

Rail users^ group to be set up



Commuters in Henley are to form a new group in a bid to have a say on rail services.

The idea was raised at a public meeting at the Christ Church centre on Friday evening organised by Henley MP John Howell.

About 45 people turned up to put questions to Mark Hopwood, managing director of First Great Western, and Tim Leighton, senior programme manager at Network Rail.

They raised issues including delays, overcrowding and late-night services and asked for more frequent services from London Paddington to Henley.

David Singer, of King^s Road, Henley, said he would like half-hourly services in the evening during the week. He said: ^The 6.05pm train is invariably late. During October and November it was late 10 times.^

Sarah Weldon, from Henley, said: ^The biggest problem I find is getting stuck at Twyford when you are rushing to catch a train and you miss it by one minute. In winter, when the toilets and waiting room are locked, you^re stuck on the platform with nothing to do.^

Patricia Mulcahy, of Milton Close, Henley, added: ^You think of overcrowding in terms of carriages. I^m thinking of the number of bodies crammed in. Sometimes in the evening there will be 50 or more people standing in a carriage. You can^t cram people into a bus because there is a maximum passenger number but you can put any number of people on a train and trains go much faster.^

Mr Hopwood said some first class carriages on First Great Western trains had been converted to create more space and that more would follow in the coming months. He said the next opportunity to change the train timetables would be May 2015.

He continued: ^We recognise that punctuality and reliability haven^t been as good as we would like. We have had some real challenges to face and we are reviewing a number of key areas, particularly customer information.^

Mr Hopwood said he had received many emails about the 6.05pm service from Paddington, which he said had a ^chequered^ past.

He added: ^I have set up a performance task force to address some of the poor-performing services we have had in the last few months and can assure you the 6.05pm train is top of the list.^

Mr Hopwood said he would return to Henley for a follow-up meeting in three months and would make a presentation addressing all the issues raised during the 90-minute meeting.

Mr Howell, who organised the meeting after receiving complaints from constituents about problems with rail services, said: ^I think two really positive things came out of this meeting - that a rail users^ group is going to be set up and that Mr Hopwood will come back for another meeting. There were some who doubted First Great Western would take notice of their concerns but it has done so and a follow-up meeting to outline how it is going to take them into account is important. One of those attending the meeting commented afterwards that the good thing was First Great Western understood the feelings of commuters.^

Patrick Fleming, of Henley in Transition, will be collecting the names of anyone interested in joining the Henley rail users^ group. He said: ^At this stage it^s about getting people together to decide what we want to do and how to form the group. The idea is to give people a way of talking to First Great Western and Network Rail to improve services for passengers but also to encourage and promote rail use in general.^

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by grahame at 09:57, 13th April 2014
 
Most encouraging [the meeting]. I feel we have come forward a huge way in the seven years since this forum was set up - all across the south west / FGW operated services, and in particular in realtionship to the smaller lines.  The whole culture seems to have changed from one where the the train operator on the main lines had swallowed up the regional, local and commuter services and was cutting services and shortening trains, with local authorities saying "we can help with roads and buses but not trains".

It's still not - won't be / can't be - "ask and it shall be done", for there are cost, planning, benefit, resource avialability, operational, consistency, commercial, capacity, marketing, management, side effect, regulatory, maintenance, health, safety, legal and other matters to consider.  And us passengers know little of many of those matters.  I do though have a feeling the the new First Great Western team - under the current MD, following on from an excellent start by the previous one, make sure that the team has the time to listen, evaluate, help, explain to those of us who are working in the user groups / community to advocate full and better use of rail, and who will ask good (but sometimes tough) questions.

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by Network SouthEast at 17:51, 12th April 2014
 
I think non-stop runs are currently only possible in the up direction. The white light doesn't illuminate for the down train until it's been in the platform for 20-30 seconds. Probably not the most complicated upgrade ever, but a it could result in a longish wait at the crossing for vehicles if the down train stops at Shiplake (but it's a very minor road).

Coiuld employ similar technology as there is at Bradford on Avon which just precedes Greenland Mills crossing for trains heading towards Bath.  A non stop train activates the crossing at the appropriate time to prevent it having to slow down while a train calling at the station doesn't active the crossing until a plunger on the platform is pressed.
It may not be as simple as that.

Greenland Mill is an AHB crossing (Automatic Half Barriers).

Shiplake is an AOCL+B (Automatic Open Crossing, Locally monitored + Barriers).

AOCL+B crossings like Shiplake are a relatively recent innovation from Network Rail. In a nutshell, an AOCL+B crossing is to all intents and purposes still an AOCL, but with the addition of barriers. I could easily take this thread way off topic talking about level crossings and all the various types!

The point I'm really trying to make is that AOCL+B crossings are much less expensive than other barrier crossing types. It's reported that the conversion is something like 80% the cost of that to an ABCL, let alone an AHB like Greenland Mill. Costs are saved by way of things that may not be obvious at first glance, such as the non provision of emergency telephones and not altering the strike-in distance.

However, one may argue that with impending electrification maybe it might be the right time to look at a further crossing upgrade at Shiplake.

I think the idea of 1tph fast and 1tph stopping is a really good one for the Henley branch. But unless Shiplake receives a further upgrade I don't think it is viable.

It may be of interest to some, that the St Albans Abbey line is a single track line with a 45 minute frequency, with demand for a more frequent service like Henley. London Midland trailed a 1tph fast train to/from Watford Junction and a 1tph stopping service, and sadly it was not an operational success.

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by Electric train at 17:48, 12th April 2014
 
I assume not stopping at Shiplake is now a practical option following the installation of half barriers at the level crossing.  Before the train had to crawl over the open crossing so not much time would have been saved.
If the Shiplake crossing is set up the same as Furze Platt and Cookham the line speed is still 10mph, given NR's safety concerns with level crossings I doubt very much they would increase the line speed even having install half barriers, all they have done is improve the pre-existing level of safety and not permit a line speed enhancement

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by bobm at 15:14, 12th April 2014
 
I think non-stop runs are currently only possible in the up direction. The white light doesn't illuminate for the down train until it's been in the platform for 20-30 seconds. Probably not the most complicated upgrade ever, but a it could result in a longish wait at the crossing for vehicles if the down train stops at Shiplake (but it's a very minor road).

Coiuld employ similar technology as there is at Bradford on Avon which just precedes Greenland Mills crossing for trains heading towards Bath.  A non stop train activates the crossing at the appropriate time to prevent it having to slow down while a train calling at the station doesn't active the crossing until a plunger on the platform is pressed.

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by autotank at 15:02, 12th April 2014
 
I think non-stop runs are currently only possible in the up direction. The white light doesn't illuminate for the down train until it's been in the platform for 20-30 seconds. Probably not the most complicated upgrade ever, but a it could result in a longish wait at the crossing for vehicles if the down train stops at Shiplake (but it's a very minor road).

I think you are right in suggesting that introducing non-stop runs would be controversial for Shiplake and Wargrave passengers but the figures are quite convincing. An hourly service would be easier to remember than the current 45 minute interval shuttle - but I'm not sure that would wash with residents!

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by bobm at 12:52, 12th April 2014
 
I assume not stopping at Shiplake is now a practical option following the installation of half barriers at the level crossing.  Before the train had to crawl over the open crossing so not much time would have been saved.


Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by John R at 12:39, 12th April 2014
 
Given the costs involved in a dynamic loop, I would have thought electrification + slightly higher line speeds is the only realistic chance of bringing end to end journey times down enough to give a resilient 30 minute service.

Actually,it might be possible to have a half hourly service now if one of the two services ran non-stop from end to end, particularly off peak.  Given passenger numbers at both intermediate stations are relatively low (both have under 100,000 entries and exits compared with Henley's 700,000), this could be the optimal use of existing resources, although would could be controversial.

If services were increased to half hourly with one unit then connectional delays become an issue. If you hold a train for a late connection then there is very little chance of catching up, and could mean the inward service to Twyford would miss its connection.   There's also the problem that it becomes very difficult to time connections both ways (ie both Reading and London). As an example, if you want the Henley bound train to leave 3 minutes after arrival of a service from London then by definition the previous train from Henley into Twyford can't arrive in time for passengers wanting to connect with the Reading bound service. At least not with any degree of resilience.

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by bobm at 12:25, 12th April 2014
 
It has an interesting history.  It was originally a single track broad gauge line but then converted into a double track standard gauge one.  It reverted to a single track in the early 60s although there was still a loop at Shiplake until the end of the 60s.

The station at Henley had three platforms but now it only has the one.

An unusual fact is that when the line is closed for engineering work the replacement buses have to start at Shiplake then to Henley, Wargrave and Twyford as the only way to cross the river between Wargrave and Shiplake is the railway bridge.

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by ellendune at 12:15, 12th April 2014
 
Was he branch ever double track? Or would a dynamic loop require additional land take?

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by autotank at 12:04, 12th April 2014
 
I looked at the geography at Shiplake last night to see if a loop could be put there.  I think it would be possible if trains were stopped nearer the Twyford end of the platform.  Both faces are still there.  However it would mean sacrificing car-parking space and sorting out the footpath pictured above.  You could then end the loop before the level crossing to avoid the need to remodel that part.



As a regular user of the branch I've often daydreamed of how to improve the service. A half hourly service is just about possible at the moment as things stand, but wouldn't leave any wriggle room as there would be only a 3 minute turn around at each end. With electrification and a line speed increase to 60mph the end to end time could conceivably be reduced to 11 or even 10 minutes which would make a half hourly service a more realistic prospect. This is something that Mark Hopwood sort of hinted at as a longer term aspiration at the meeting last night.

If you wanted to further increase capacity I don^t think a loop at Shiplake would work as the impact on the car park and platform length would be considerable. Instead I^d go for a dynamic loop between Twyford and Wargrave which would allow a 20 minute frequency 2 train service post electrification something like this:

Twyford   xx00   xx20   xx40
Henley      xx11   xx31   xx51

Henley      xx15   xx35   xx55
Twyford   xx26   xx46   xx06

This seems reasonably robust to me and allows a decent amount of recovery time at Twyford.

All pie in the sky of course, as a 20 minute frequency wouldn^t really fit in with the mainline 15 minute service.

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by bobm at 09:53, 12th April 2014
 
Thank you autotank for an excellent summary of what seems to have been an interesting meeting.  Let us hope it bears fruit.

I admit I hadn't realised the crossovers at Ruscombe were out of use but that would explain some of the delays to services reaching Reading in the evening peak.

As for the tight connection on the 18:05 part of the problem with overcrowding is because those wanting the Henley train tend to head for the middle coaches of standard to afford themselves the best chance of making the connection by being closer to the stairs.  It is noticeable after Twyford how empty these coaches are compared to the rest of the train.

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by autotank at 08:13, 12th April 2014
 
I went along to the meeting last night which was quite well attended (around 50 people). There were 4 FGW managers including Mark Hopwood and a chap from Network Rail along with Henley MP John Howell who organised it. I didn^t stay until the end (had a train to catch and beer to drink!), but here (from memory) is a brief summary of the main points discussed:

Mark started by saying how important the branches are to FGW, even though he realised that sometimes passengers might not feel that way! He grew up in Marlow and early in his railway career spent time in the Henley ticket office, so he appreciates and understands the issues and desires that branch users have.

An explanation of the signalling problems between Maidenhead and Twyford ^ there are still temporary measures in place on the relief lines using axel counters instead of the normal track circuits with extended signal sections. The crossover at Ruscombe is still out of action as well. Network Rail hope to restore the normal signalling system in the next 2-3 weeks. The meeting was understanding of the flooding disruption, but critical of the communication. Mark recognised this and said it was something they are working on at a senior level.

The reliability of the 1805 Paddington ^ Twyford HST was one of the main talking points. This train is frequently delayed and often misses the tight connection with the Henley train at 1831. Mark said this train was of concern and near the top of his reliability watch list. The service will benefit from one extra standard class carriage (converted from First) in the near future which will help somewhat ^ but it will always be a very popular busy service.

A discussion was had about the usefulness of the 1712 and 1812 through trains which are quite slow compared to the 1706 and 1805 HST services which connect with branch shuttles. A straw poll showed the vast majority of people prefer an HST and connection rather than a slower through train (which I was slightly surprised by and didn^t agree with!). At the next major timetable change in May 2015 the possibility of a branch shuttle connecting with the 1847 HST from Paddington (what this would mean for the only through down ^fast^ service at 1905 wasn^t discussed).

The meeting seemed to agree that the up service and connections to London worked well in the morning, but that the down service in the evening wasn^t as good with connections often missed and overcrowding a frequent issue. It^s unlikely that more carriages can be found for the popular 1905 through service.

The Network Rail man confirmed the branch will be electrified and expects it to be a relatively straight forward task, with perhaps a few weekend closures. It will be wired after the mainline is completed so the branch will have to rely on diesel units for slightly longer than elsewhere. A couple of people expressed a desire for the line to be doubled in the future (!) and urged NR to make sure that works to wire the line wouldn^t rule this out.

Mark noted that there wasn^t a dedicated user group for the Henley line although the Marlow - Maidenhead Passengers^ Association has a watching brief. He suggested that if a group was formed for the Henley line that FGW would provide some money to help start it up. The meeting agreed this was a good idea ^ sadly I didn^t stay around until the end of the meeting so I^m not sure if anything was actioned. This is certainly something I^d welcome and like to be involved with.


The questions and observations I made seemed to be quite well received:

A half hourly frequency throughout the day is currently not possible because it isn^t very robust. With the better acceleration and a possible line speed increase to 60mph on the branch would a 30 minute frequency be possible throughout the day? Mark tentatively said that this was an aspiration.

The 45 minute off-peak frequency during the week works well ^ why can^t we have this on Saturdays when there are 4 trains an hour from Twyford?

On Sundays can the connections be tightened up at Twyford ^ often you have to wait quite a while for a connecting train which makes journey times unattractive. The 2 stopping services an hour on Sundays need to always be 5 cars minimum ^ I^ve often seen 3 or even sometimes 2 which struggles to cope east of Slough. There are plenty of spare sets at Reading on a Sunday sat doing nothing. A lady sat near me raised the good point that 10am was quite a late start for the branch service ^ Marlow now has a 9am service.


The majority of answers came from Mark Hopwood who I was impressed with. His answers were honest and realistic (needed to rein some of the more ^out there^ suggestions and complaints in). I see from his twitter that a follow up meeting is to be held in 3 months time which I'll make an effort to attend.

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by bobm at 09:39, 10th April 2014
 
I looked at the geography at Shiplake last night to see if a loop could be put there.  I think it would be possible if trains were stopped nearer the Twyford end of the platform.  Both faces are still there.  However it would mean sacrificing car-parking space and sorting out the footpath pictured above.  You could then end the loop before the level crossing to avoid the need to remodel that part.


Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by eightf48544 at 09:27, 10th April 2014
 
Just a thought with electrification has any one suggested redoubling or a dynamic loop on the branch to allow an increased service.

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by bobm at 22:14, 9th April 2014
 
I have always had a soft spot for the Henley Branch.

As chance would have it I was on one of the through trains from London Paddington this evening.



I also hadn't noticed until today that there is a pedestrian exit at Shiplake near the Twyford end of the platform across the old trackbed of the double line.  Goes to show how you can travel a line many times and still miss things!



Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:39, 9th April 2014
 
From the Henley Standard:

Rail firms to visit

Commuters from Henley are being offered the chance to comment on rail services.

Henley MP John Howell has arranged for representatives of First Great Western and Network Rail to meet rail users. He expects issues such as overcrowding, the future of the Henley-London service and communication during the recent floods to be raised.

The meeting will be held at the Christ Church Centre in Reading Road next Friday from 6.30pm.

Mr Howell said: ^I get a steady postbag of complaints about the service that First Great Western provides, so it seemed the obvious thing to arrange for FGW to come to Henley and tell commuters what it is doing. There are a number of issues which it needs to address. It will also be good to hear from Network Rail on the work they did during the flooding.^

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by autotank at 15:18, 3rd February 2014
 
Just wondering if we'll ever get an increase in frequency on Saturdays to match the Monday - Friday 45 minute service? Although unpopular with some who prefer clockface operation, I think the 45 minute interval has been a great success with steady growth on the line over the last decade. It's particularly pleaseing to see so many Henley College students use the train - the 0804 Reading - Henley is often full and standing from Twyford.

It would also be nice to see an earlier first train on Saturdays - the first departure isn't until 0724, which feels a bit late and means you can't get most of London until 0930.

Presumably the reason for keeping it hourly is down to staffing - you'd probably need another driver over the course of a day as I think each one only does 3 or 4 trips. No stock implications though!

Sadly an hourly service would have to remain on Sundays as the stoppers at Twyford are only half hourly so a 45 minute service wouldn't connect very well (not that the current connections are that good - lots of seemingly uneccessary waiting around at Twyford).

Looking further ahead, after electrification could a 30 minute service operate throughout the day?

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by Southern Stag at 00:27, 12th December 2013
 
The signalling problems were track circuit problems. The closure if the mid-morning was to allow Network Rail time to fix the problem, and this presumably prevented any train service running on the branch whilst the work was carried out.

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by autotank at 00:02, 12th December 2013
 
Looks like there are some works taking place on the Henley branch - the past two nights have seen buses used for the last few trips. Doesn't appear on the FGW website - any idea what they are doing? I've seen quite a few vans at Wargrave recently.

Also this morning (11th Dec) there was quite a lot of late running on the branch during the peak and a few cancellations mid-morning due to 'signalling problems'. I found this hard to fathom as the signalling on the branch is very simple. Why couldn't pilotman working be brought in to maintain a service.

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by bobm at 17:43, 8th July 2013
 
Silver, may I welcome you to the forum and thank you for a very interesting first post.

As a former resident of Twyford I know only too well the huge increase in passengers the Regatta brings to the Henley Branch each year.  Like Industry Insider I do have a lot of sympathy for the regular commuters who see their routine disrupted.  It is true the biggest crowds are at the weekend and I am sure some way could be found to accomodate the usual peak hour services on the three weekdays.

It is also interesting that home-going regatta patrons are offered a bus rather than a train.  I am not sure if this is because of the problems there have been on late night services in the past - but it does seem a bit half-hearted offering extra trains to get people there and then finishing the service at the normal time and leave the homeward journey in the hands of Reading Buses.

Finally congratulations to my old school who won their event for the third year running! 

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by IndustryInsider at 11:10, 8th July 2013
 
We've had plenty of discussions about the Regatta in previous years on here.  The timetable has to be altered to deal with the volume of passengers (Saturday's crowds had to be seen to be believed this year - even the 7-car Turbo shuttle was struggling at times!), and to run the 30-minute frequency service that is needed to cope with passenger numbers it is considered that a stop at Wargrave on every train would not be robust enough to allow the trains to keep to time.  I'm slightly sceptical that that's the case, and that perhaps (for the evening peak trains only) Wargrave should continue to be a stop on all trains, but as it is I agree in that particular example of the evening commute home it does adversely affect Wargrave commuters and I do sympathise.

However, the outward commute in the morning is unaffected and 'Regatta Week' is just three weekdays.  The other option from those you've listed is to do an extra 30 minutes at work, or have a pint at Paddington, and catch the 17:36 or 18:47, which still offered a good connections at Twyford for Wargrave.

I do think that perhaps a small gesture of goodwill for Wargrave season ticket holders (^10 voucher maybe?) would be a good thing to do given the disruption to the normal timetable.

Re: Twyford to Henley branch line - services, timetables, incidents and improvements
Posted by Silver at 10:45, 8th July 2013
 
Newbie here, I thought this would be a good place to have my annual rant about FGWs treatment of regular commuters during the Henley Regatta last week. 
 
As per previous years, FGW have upset regular commuters on the Henley branch by running a time table to suit the ^3 Regatta commuters and, in doing so, ignoring the needs of those who pay over ^4,000 a year to use the service.

The 17.06 and the 18.06 from Paddington are designed to meet the Henley connection at Twyford and are packed every day. The number of times I heard other passengers asking if the HST is being evacuated at Twyford due to the number of passengers getting off is very high. A large percentage of those passengers then get on the Henley train that is due to leave 3 minutes after the HST arrival.

Not so in Regatta week. The next Henley train is 50 minutes after the HST arrives (at 19.18 rather than 18.31) and then does not stop on route to Henley at, for example, Wargrave. This leaves Wargrave customers with the following options:

- Wait 50 minutes, travel to Henley wait for the train to turn round and then got off at Wargrave on the way back
- Get a taxi or relative to drive them from Twyford to Wargrave
- Drive to Twyford in the morning and pay ^6.10 to park.
- Walk the 30+ minutes to Wargrave.

Given the commuter service is not "fit for purpose" during the Regatta it would be good if FGW made a gesture on our ticket prices at renewal (now over ^4,000 per annum).
 
Every year I and many others complain to FGW, every year we are ignored.

Re: The 07:44 service from Henley to Paddington - worst for overcrowding?
Posted by johoare at 17:26, 29th March 2013
 
I did wonder that.. Since the trains were all being delayed also I guess that it might have left Reading immediately after another one too.. Still.. A nicer journey than I thought might happen once I saw the broken down train...

Re: The 07:44 service from Henley to Paddington - worst for overcrowding?
Posted by Network SouthEast at 16:18, 29th March 2013
 


Still I was very thankful for the decision as there was lots of free seats on that train (even after everyone got on).. It would be really nice if they could incorporate that stop into the timetable to be honest but I don't think we'll be that lucky..



Do you think the train might have had free seats because it was the last working day before Easter break? Maybe a few folks took a day or two off early to have more time off/beat the holiday rush etc...

Re: The 07:44 service from Henley to Paddington - worst for overcrowding?
Posted by johoare at 12:17, 29th March 2013
 
Maidenhead actually had an additional train as a result of this.. A service from Oxford (HST) stopped at 8.48 and was then non-stop to London.. Even though the 9.03 (non-stop) wasn't running too late at that point and I don't think there were many more people waiting at Maidenhead by that time than on a usual morning..

Still I was very thankful for the decision as there was lots of free seats on that train (even after everyone got on).. It would be really nice if they could incorporate that stop into the timetable to be honest but I don't think we'll be that lucky..



Re: The 07:44 service from Henley to Paddington - worst for overcrowding?
Posted by Ollie at 11:47, 29th March 2013
 
They were on the move at about 09:20.

Re: The 07:44 service from Henley to Paddington - worst for overcrowding?
Posted by IndustryInsider at 11:39, 29th March 2013
 
Not sure what time it eventually moved, though apparently the 'Train Control' circuit breaker tripped and wouldn't reset.  A very unusual fault to have on a Turbo, but one which immobilises the unit completely and causes all sorts of bells and claxons to sound 

Re: The 07:44 service from Henley to Paddington - worst for overcrowding?
Posted by johoare at 22:29, 28th March 2013
 
I got to Maidenhead at about 8.45.. The 8.04 was still stuck there on the "fast (sorry mainline)" platform.. oops....  any idea when it finally got moved?

 
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