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Re: At least 17 dead after historic funicular railway derails in Lisbon - 3 Sep 2025
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [365165/30681/52]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 11:07, 4th September 2025
 
Sadly, the death toll increases.

From the BBC:

Lisbon funicular crash death toll rises to at least 17 as police investigate cause

Where do I post this ... ?
In "News, Help and Assistance" [365164/30682/29]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 11:01, 4th September 2025
 
To reassure any of our Coffee Shop forum members, who have an item they want to post but aren't sure which board to put it on, please don't let that put you off.  Post it where you think is best.

If any post is subsequently found to have a better home on a different board, one of the admin / moderator team can easily move it there - with an explanation of their reason.  I know - I have occasionally been known to move one of my own posts, when the benefit of hindsight shows that I could have put it in a more relevant place.

Not sure if this should be in a different section eg Bristol area commuter services.

Fine where it is ... where a line is shared by multiple services (as in this case) or where we're talking about specific shared / interchange stations, there are multiple and equally good places to post things like this. And though we have looked, we've not found any better alternative way of arranging it.


That's a good example: posting about 'Bath' could be equally appropriate in any one of many boards.  Please, do post, wherever you feel is best: we can always revise its location, and nothing will be deleted 'because it's in the wrong place!'

Chris from Nailsea. 

Re: New TFW Cardiff and West Wales to Bristol Temple Meads service
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [365163/30679/21]
Posted by froome at 10:55, 4th September 2025
 
Is this essentially the start of the new services that were mentioned in the consultation a year or two ago?

If so somewhat disappointed at the limited stopping pattern as it was originally planned to be a true stopping services from what was initially shared, but now Patchway, Ashley Down and Lawrence Hill miss out.

Don't forget Pilning!

It would make more sense to me if the existing Cardiff to Bristol (and beyond) trains were the true stopping services, and that services starting in west Wales stopped at the stations those trains stop at at the moment. And I say that as someone who does enjoy whizzing through these intermediate stations at the moment on trains that only stop at Filton Abbey Wood and Newport.

Re: Bath Spa - Bristol Temple Meads Oct 27-30 replacement buses only
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [365162/30643/10]
Posted by grahame at 09:55, 4th September 2025
 
Not sure if this should be in a different section eg Bristol area commuter services.

Fine where it is ... where a line is shared by multiple services (as in this case) or where we're talking about specific shared / interchange stations, there are multiple and equally good places to post things like this. And though we have looked, we've not found any better alternative way of arranging it.

Seems some local trains in Westbury-Bath area have also been withdrawn during the works.  (Probably because East facing bay platform at Bath Spa was deemed never required during disruption so is nowadays trackless).

I would suspect it's also because they're expecting a much reduce traffic to handle on a reduced number of trains and at a reduced operating cost.  I would hope that with fewer trains running, they could all be long enough to let passengers travel in a modicum of comfort.

Re: At least 17 dead after historic funicular railway derails in Lisbon - 3 Sep 2025
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [365161/30681/52]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 09:51, 4th September 2025
 
From the BBC:

Lisbon funicular crash death toll rises to at least 16 as police investigate cause




Re: Boats stranded in Aylesbury after Grand Union Canal dries up during drought
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [365160/30680/51]
Posted by grahame at 08:27, 4th September 2025
 
i'm now wondering if there are locks anywhere on the system with both working sideponds and the expectation that they be used.

Research suggest that the last working sideponds on the British canal network were taken out of use around 2018 (I may be a year of two out). I certainly recall using them - more on principle rather that through official encouragement - in the 1980s.  New sidepound (or equivalent side water storage) have been installed recently on the new, larger locks on the Panama Canal.

Re: Bath Spa - Bristol Temple Meads Oct 27-30 replacement buses only
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [365159/30643/10]
Posted by John D at 07:58, 4th September 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
Not sure if this should be in a different section eg Bristol area commuter services.

But it now appears the Mon-Thur (27-30 Oct) closure of Bristol-Bath has a spin off as all local stopping trains Bristol-Filton Abbey Wood are suspended too.

Seems some local trains in Westbury-Bath area have also been withdrawn during the works.  (Probably because East facing bay platform at Bath Spa was deemed never required during disruption so is nowadays trackless).


Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [365158/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 05:06, 4th September 2025
 
Thursday September 4

05:10 Oxford to Worcester Shrub Hill due 06:15 will be cancelled.
This is due to a broken down train.
Last Updated:04/09/2025 04:00

07:00 Worcester Shrub Hill to Didcot Parkway due 08:46 will be started from Oxford.
This is due to a broken down train.
Last Updated:04/09/2025 04:00

07:13 Great Malvern to London Paddington due 09:42 will call additionally at Shipton, Ascott-Under-Wychwood, Finstock and Combe.
Last Updated:04/09/2025 04:00

Re: Boats stranded in Aylesbury after Grand Union Canal dries up during drought
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [365157/30680/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:05, 3rd September 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
Mods please delete if you like

No - I won't delete your post! 

I merely quoted their 'News item' from the BBC. We all know they don't get things wrong, do they?

I'll do some more 'digging' (or possibly dredging) to find out more.

CfN.

I've done some more 'dredging', and I've found that the BBC have previously used that same image to 'illustrate' their news stories about, for example, the Trent and Mersey Canal and the Oxford Canal.

It seems to be yet another use of a 'stock picture' to illustrate any 'canal story'. 

Re: TravelWatch SouthWest - October 24th 2025 - Taunton
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [365156/30673/34]
Posted by Mark A at 21:58, 3rd September 2025
 
Another attractive quality, the venue's built on the tail of the site of the first of the Grand Western Canal's boat lifts, a not entirely successful structure which survived, out of use, long enough to be recorded on a 1:500 Ordnance Survey town plan.

Surprisingly, west of the venue, canal era masonry survives almost as far as the approach to the long vanished aqueduct that took it across what became Station Road. Unfortunately no photographs survive of these relics.

Mark

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=19.2&lat=51.02205&lon=-3.10262&layers=117746211a&b=GoogleSat&o=100

Re: Boats stranded in Aylesbury after Grand Union Canal dries up during drought
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [365154/30680/51]
Posted by Mark A at 21:43, 3rd September 2025
 
I think it's the case that depending on how it's operated, a staircase lock doesn't consume more water than two locks with the same fall arranged sequentially. Also, the staircase had sideponds which mitigates the water consumption.

i'm now wondering if there are locks anywhere on the system with both working sideponds and the expectation that they be used.

Mark


Re: Forest of Dean - historic footbridge in Lydney
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [365153/30590/47]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:38, 3rd September 2025
Already liked by Ralph Ayres
 
Hmm. 

I'm reminded of a rather scurrilous suggestion, many years ago: RAIB means, 'Reporting About It, Belatedly'.

"You may very well think that: I couldn't possibly comment." 


(That is a comment from me personally, not from the Administrator / Moderator team here on the Coffee Shop forum. CfN.)

Re: Forest of Dean - historic footbridge in Lydney
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [365152/30590/47]
Posted by grahame at 21:37, 3rd September 2025
 
Is it just me, or could that paragraph in the RAIB press release have been more helpfully worded?

Not just you - I was disappointed too ...

Re: Boats stranded in Aylesbury after Grand Union Canal dries up during drought
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [365151/30680/51]
Posted by Mark A at 21:35, 3rd September 2025
 
I have memories of the Aylesbury Arm - dropping from the Grand Union at Marsworth down to Aylesbury.  In those days, I don't think that big basin was there; a pretty tight space at the end.  Memories not entirely happy - we ended up in A&E at Stoke Mandeville; we were very fortunate that ... no long term problem issue, but a lesson learned.   As I recall the lock flight is narrow, but not back-pumped.  I think it starts with a staircase, which doubles water consumption.

The Aylesbury arm... with ambitions to reach Abingdon and thereby bypass the horribly obstructive and influential Thames Commissioners, who duly slaughtered said ambitions...

Mark

Re: Forest of Dean - historic footbridge in Lydney
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [365150/30590/47]
Posted by Ralph Ayres at 21:17, 3rd September 2025
 
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/collision-with-footbridge-on-the-dean-forest-railway

I did get a little frustrated by this; surprised/impressed by the speed the RAIB had apparently worked at, I eagerly clicked the "preliminary examination" and "safety digest" links to find they just took me to pages telling me what those phrases meant, the actual safety digest itself understandably not likely to be ready for some time yet.  Is it just me, or could that paragraph in the RAIB press release have been more helpfully worded?

Re: At least 17 dead after historic funicular railway derails in Lisbon - 3 Sep 2025
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [365149/30681/52]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:58, 3rd September 2025
 
Thank you for that update, Jaymac. 

I have amended the heading of this topic.

An update, from the BBC:



At least 15 people have been killed and 18 others injured after Lisbon's famous Gloria funicular derailed and crashed, emergency services said.

Portugal's emergency medical service authority said that five of those injured were in a serious condition. The remaining thirteen, including a child, sustained minor injuries.

Several people were earlier said to have been trapped at the scene. They have all since been freed, authorities said.

Footage shared widely on social media showed the yellow tram-like carriage overturned and almost entirely destroyed. People could be seen fleeing the area on foot as what appears to be smoke filled the air.

Portuguese President Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa has issued a statement expressing his "sympathy and solidarity with the families affected by this tragedy".

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen also sent her condolences to the families of the victims.

It is unclear how many people were on board at the time of the cable railway crash, which occurred near the Avenida da Liberdade around 18:05 on Wednesday evening.

It is not known whether those killed are Portuguese nationals or foreigners.

Portuguese newspaper Observador reported that a cable came loose along the railway's route, causing it to lose control and collide with a nearby building.

Sixty-two emergency service personnel and 22 vehicles are at the scene, according to the civil protection website.

The Gloria funicular is one of the most famous sights and tourist attractions in Lisbon. It was opened in 1885 and electrified three decades later.

The iconic yellow vehicles are a crucial part of a city as hilly as Lisbon. They snake their way up many of the cobbled streets.

This particular one that crashed travels some 275m (900ft) from Restauradores, a square in the middle of Lisbon, up to the picturesque, cobbled streets of an area called Bairro Alto - or high neighbourhood - taking just three minutes to make the journey.

It, and the other funiculars, are used by Lisbon residents but they are also extremely popular with tourists – and at the end of the summer, the Portuguese capital is very busy indeed.

The Lisbon authorities say it is too early to determine the cause of this incident – and how many people were caught up in it.


Re: Scotland scraps peak rail fares - will the rest of the UK follow? (Sep 2025)
In "Fare's Fair" [365148/30668/4]
Posted by Ralph Ayres at 20:55, 3rd September 2025
 
If the price incentive to avoid busy trains is removed or at least reduced (I'm assuming train-specific Advance tickets at varying prices will still exist in parallel), perhaps better visibility of which trains are likely to have more space would help those who have the flexibility to choose when to travel and would like a more pleasant journey.  It's relatively easy to guess for a lot of journeys, but not always.  Some TOCs already have a tool on their website and perhaps GBR could expand it to a national feature on the National Rail Journey Planner.

Re: At least 17 dead after historic funicular railway derails in Lisbon - 3 Sep 2025
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [365147/30681/52]
Posted by JayMac at 20:42, 3rd September 2025
 
The death toll has sadly increased to 15.

At least 17 dead after historic funicular railway derails in Lisbon - 3 Sep 2025
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [365145/30681/52]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:07, 3rd September 2025
 
From the BBC:



At least three people have been killed and 20 others injured after Lisbon's famous Gloria funicular cable railway derailed and crashed, emergency services said.

The head of Portugal's Civil Protection Authority said that several people remained trapped at the scene and two people were in a serious condition.

Footage shared widely on social media showed the yellow funicular overturned and almost entirely destroyed. People could be seen fleeing the area on foot as what appears to be smoke filled the air.

The office of Portugal's president has issued a statement expressing his "sympathy and solidarity with the families affected by this tragedy".

It is understood that 43 people were on board at the time of the crash, which occurred near the Avenida da Liberdade around 18:05 on Wednesday evening. It is not known whether those killed are Portuguese nationals or foreigners.

Portuguese newspaper Observador reported that a cable came loose along the railway's route, causing it to lose control and collide with a nearby building.

Sixty-two emergency service personnel and 22 vehicles are at the scene, according to the civil protection website.

The Gloria Funicular is one of the most famous sights and tourist attractions in Lisbon. It was opened in 1885 and electrified three decades later. The iconic yellow trams are a crucial part of a city as hilly as Lisbon. They snake their way up many of the cobbled streets.

This particular tram that crashed travels some 275m (900ft) from Restauradores, a square in the middle of Lisbon, up to the picturesque, cobbled streets of an area called Bairro Alto - or high neighbourhood - taking just three minutes to make the journey.

It, and the other funiculars, are used by Lisbon residents but they are also extremely popular with tourists – and at the end of the summer, the Portuguese capital is very busy indeed.

The Lisbon authorities say it is too early to determine the cause of this incident – and how many people were caught up in it.


Re: Boats stranded in Aylesbury after Grand Union Canal dries up during drought
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [365144/30680/51]
Posted by bobm at 20:01, 3rd September 2025
 
On tonight’s BBC Points West there was a report on the Wilts & Berks canal.  The volunteers have been forced to stop barge trips on two stretches as the water has dropped too low.  Sadly another section is unlikely ever to see craft again as it has been filled in and grassed over.   (And that’s the bit that goes past my office window!)

Re: 16th August 2025 - Buses to Imber
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [365143/29807/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:49, 3rd September 2025
 
That is excellent news, Clan Line.

Unfortunately, I for domestic reasons and grahame for covid reasons weren't able to increase those numbers by 2.

Next year, hopefully. 

Re: 16th August 2025 - Buses to Imber
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [365142/29807/5]
Posted by Clan Line at 19:41, 3rd September 2025
Already liked by Western Pathfinder
 
Head count for Imber bus day.

Imber Church logged 3000 visitors, but thought to be a bit higher, around 3400.

The bus organisers logged about 4,000.

Re: Boats stranded in Aylesbury after Grand Union Canal dries up during drought
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [365139/30680/51]
Posted by grahame at 19:25, 3rd September 2025
 
I have memories of the Aylesbury Arm - dropping from the Grand Union at Marsworth down to Aylesbury.  In those days, I don't think that big basin was there; a pretty tight space at the end.  Memories not entirely happy - we ended up in A&E at Stoke Mandeville; we were very fortunate that ... no long term problem issue, but a lesson learned.   As I recall the lock flight is narrow, but not back-pumped.  I think it starts with a staircase, which doubles water consumption.

Re: New TFW Cardiff and West Wales to Bristol Temple Meads service
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [365138/30679/21]
Posted by grahame at 18:51, 3rd September 2025
Already liked by Western Pathfinder
 
Is this essentially the start of the new services that were mentioned in the consultation a year or two ago?

The ORR document shared (and I have grabbed a copy for our archive) is nearly two years old ...

Re: Boats stranded in Aylesbury after Grand Union Canal dries up during drought
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [365137/30680/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 18:49, 3rd September 2025
 
No - I won't delete your post! 

I merely quoted their 'News item' from the BBC.  We all know they don't get things wrong, do they?

I'll do some more 'digging' (or possibly dredging) to find out more.

CfN. 

Re: The Coffee Shop, online safety and the Online Safety Act
In "News, Help and Assistance" [365136/29759/29]
Posted by grahame at 18:43, 3rd September 2025
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea, Timmer, PrestburyRoad, TonyK, Ralph Ayres, Oxonhutch, eightonedee, Andy E, 1st fan, Witham Bobby
 
Bumping an old topic here because I was reminded of this with the news of such as "The head of the Metropolitan Police has called on the government to "change or clarify" the law following the arrest of comedian Graham Linehan over posts he made online" from The BBC.

This is so far removed from content that gets posted on the Coffee Shop that you may ask "should we even be concerned?".  Yes, we need to be, because a single incident of something that's fuzzy according to the law could be very hot water for the poster and for the forum should we fail to watch and act if someone slips up - even if (as I'm pretty sure would be the case) that slip up wasn't intentional.  But I am re-assured that the moderator and admin team, together with members letting us know of any concerns, will quickly highlight and allows us to act on anything that's at all of risk.

Re: TravelWatch SouthWest - October 24th 2025 - Taunton
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [365135/30673/34]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 18:43, 3rd September 2025
 
I, too, have booked my seat. I encourage any of our members also to do so.

It's free, informal, and you do get to meet some very interesting people*, and you can have constructive discussions, in the course of the day.

The venue is on a level access route, within sight of Taunton Station. For those not now driving Formula 1, disabled access assistance can be arranged.

CfN. 


* Excepting me, obviously.

 
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