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Re: Melksham's rail service - where are we, on the anniversary of being Beechinged? In "TransWilts line" [362319/30162/18] Posted by grahame at 18:09, 15th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Out of interest, does anyone know if there was ever a regular passenger service via the now-missing chord at Staverton? Would that open up useful options for local services?
There was - there were through Bristol to London (and verse vice) trains via Devizes.
Yes - it could provide a local option and once the service via Melksham and Trowbridge has increased to hourly, it would be a further logical step. The biggest journey flows from Melksham are to Bath and Bristol but a service which compromised an appropriate Chippenham - Melksham - Trowbridge - Westbury service would IMHO be unwise in the extreme - throwing out the baby that's been growing for a new one.
Re: Bus Service 205 In "Transport for London" [362318/30357/46] Posted by grahame at 18:03, 15th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Thanks for that - I have mirrored the full report at https://www.passenger.chat/mirror/end_205_report.pdf . I searched the document for "Eurostar" and didn't find any mention or response.
Re: Where was Finn today, 15th June 2025. In "The Lighter Side" [362317/30362/30] Posted by JayMac at 18:01, 15th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Melksham's rail service - where are we, on the anniversary of being Beechinged? In "TransWilts line" [362316/30162/18] Posted by Red Squirrel at 17:59, 15th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Out of interest, does anyone know if there was ever a regular passenger service via the now-missing chord at Staverton? Would that open up useful options for local services?
Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury In "TransWilts line" [362315/29726/18] Posted by bobm at 17:52, 15th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
And for today ... the first train is replace by a bus because, as far as I can tell, the line is needed to run a more important West Country express that calls at Westbury, with engineering works closing the normal line through Pewsey.
I am not sure if that was the case. The up train from Warminster is usually timed to be on the single line between 08:26 and 08:38. Today the Penzance train was slightly early and was on the line between 09:02 and 09:14.
The return service from Swindon is usually between Thingley and Bradford Junctions from 09:27 and 09:38.
Bed and Breakfast with public transport from bed to breakfast In "The Lighter Side" [362314/30365/30] Posted by grahame at 17:49, 15th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From the Press and Journal
There is one at the moment providing a bed on one side and you have breakfast on the other side.
Liverpool estate where 'some kids have never been on a train' - June 2025 In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362313/30364/51] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:42, 15th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From the BBC:
A railway station planned for an estate where some children have "never been on a train" could make a huge difference to young people's lives, local people have said.
The Woodchurch estate on Wirral is to be linked to the rail network as part of a £1.6bn investment scheme.
Staff at Fender Primary School said that despite the estate being only four miles from the seaside, some children had never been there.
Discussions around building a station to directly serve the estate have been going on for more than a decade. The exact location of a station is still to be confirmed, and it is expected to take until about 2030 for planning permission to be given. Once built, it would link the estate to Liverpool and Wrexham.
Emma Simms, a staff member at Fender school, said: "A lot of the children do not have the opportunities to leave the estate whether that is for days out or holidays. We have conversations with children who have never been on the trains."
Staff at the school said a new station would cut down on travel time, open up school, university and job opportunities, and give children more life experiences.
Sue Lee, who has lived in the area for 20 years, feels the new station would bring more value and investment to Woodchurch as well as open up opportunities. She said: "Just trying to get off the Wirral at all is a tricky one. You can but then you have to go to Birkenhead to get the train somewhere. This just enhances all your options." She said her daughter was an athlete and in the past, sometimes they had to get taxis to competitions because there were just no other options. "A lot of children do not get off the estate," she said. "If there is something right there it makes it a lot easier to go to places they might not necessarily go to." However, there's still some scepticism after years of promises.
Maureen Cain said: "It's a good place to live, it really is and I think it will be really uplifted." However, she said: "Until it happens, no one will be jumping for joy. I think people get fed up and think that until it happens, we aren't going to be happy about it."
Wirral councillor Jerry Williams, who grew up on the estate, said connectivity was one of the most important issues on the estate. The Labour councillor for Upton said there was "a degree of isolation on a lot of the estate" and "to have a station there is really going to transform things".
When the funding was announced, it was welcomed by top politicians in Wirral. Matthew Patrick, Wirral West's MP and former councillor for the area, said: "People here deserve good jobs, better transport links, stronger schools and great leisure services."
The Woodchurch estate on Wirral is to be linked to the rail network as part of a £1.6bn investment scheme.
Staff at Fender Primary School said that despite the estate being only four miles from the seaside, some children had never been there.
Discussions around building a station to directly serve the estate have been going on for more than a decade. The exact location of a station is still to be confirmed, and it is expected to take until about 2030 for planning permission to be given. Once built, it would link the estate to Liverpool and Wrexham.
Emma Simms, a staff member at Fender school, said: "A lot of the children do not have the opportunities to leave the estate whether that is for days out or holidays. We have conversations with children who have never been on the trains."
Staff at the school said a new station would cut down on travel time, open up school, university and job opportunities, and give children more life experiences.
Sue Lee, who has lived in the area for 20 years, feels the new station would bring more value and investment to Woodchurch as well as open up opportunities. She said: "Just trying to get off the Wirral at all is a tricky one. You can but then you have to go to Birkenhead to get the train somewhere. This just enhances all your options." She said her daughter was an athlete and in the past, sometimes they had to get taxis to competitions because there were just no other options. "A lot of children do not get off the estate," she said. "If there is something right there it makes it a lot easier to go to places they might not necessarily go to." However, there's still some scepticism after years of promises.
Maureen Cain said: "It's a good place to live, it really is and I think it will be really uplifted." However, she said: "Until it happens, no one will be jumping for joy. I think people get fed up and think that until it happens, we aren't going to be happy about it."
Wirral councillor Jerry Williams, who grew up on the estate, said connectivity was one of the most important issues on the estate. The Labour councillor for Upton said there was "a degree of isolation on a lot of the estate" and "to have a station there is really going to transform things".
When the funding was announced, it was welcomed by top politicians in Wirral. Matthew Patrick, Wirral West's MP and former councillor for the area, said: "People here deserve good jobs, better transport links, stronger schools and great leisure services."
Re: Bus Service 205 In "Transport for London" [362312/30357/46] Posted by stuving at 17:41, 15th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
TfL did put out a consultation - and I thought it got a mention somewhere in these pages about a year ago? Anyway, if didn't, I did hear about it & responded negatively, so the word was got out.
Not sure I recall the consultation from the Coffee Shop (or anywhere else) but certainly the press commented about it being consulted in London (or perhaps London and the South East) which perhaps wouldn't pick up the concerns of the long distance flows.
I wonder if GWR or Eurostar responded to TfL's consultation - whether they were invited and their opinions on this.
Press did comment that there was substantial negative response in the consultation but it's going ahead anyway.
Full details are in the consultation report - from the consultation's page. Both GWR and Chiltern did provide inputs; GWR's was this (not verbatim):
Great Western Railway (GWR) start by saying the 205 bus service provides good opportunities for passengers arriving via rail at London Paddington Station, to make onward journeys to London Marylebone, Euston, Kings Cross, St Pancras and Liverpool Street stations via Bus (and vice versa).
They say they do not support the withdrawal of service 205. Giving multiple reasons
• GWR note London Underground / Elizabeth Line Services operate to / from Paddington to stations listed above. But highlight a selection of passengers will choose to make an interconnecting journey via bus (i.e., on the 205). There may be numerous reasons, including the interchange onto a ‘tube’ service seen as challenging due to stairs or perceived unfamiliar environment of the Underground system
• Passengers with mobility impairments, luggage, buggies, or wheelchair users may prefer to utilise the bus connection for ease. Noting the current 205 service operates door to door at street level between key London Rail Termini
• Underground stations and accessibility. A ramp to assist with boarding is still required at London Paddington and Kings Cross underground stations. Passengers with mobility impairments, luggage, buggies, or wheelchair users may prefer to utilise the bus connection for ease. Also GWR note that Euston Square Underground station is step free in the Westbound Direction only
• The also flag that HS2 construction work in the next decade, at Old Oak Common, will mean services diverted to London Euston frequently. Having multiple methods of transport available for passengers to make the interchange to /from Paddington/ Euston will reduce obstacles resulting from this engineering work
• Also noted is the role of the 205 when the London Underground / Elizabeth route is closed during service disruption and engineering work. GWR feel that if the proposal went ahead, connecting journeys between National Rail Stations would be more challenging, with multiple changes required either via bus or alternative London Underground routes (such as Bakerloo Line)
GWR conclude by repeating that retaining passenger choice of two modes of connection options (tube / bus) between London Paddington and other key London termini enables confidence and ease for the passenger. Especially in the event of service disruption to either tube or bus. They a bus connection to remain between London Paddington and various key London Termini currently served by bus 205.
They say they do not support the withdrawal of service 205. Giving multiple reasons
• GWR note London Underground / Elizabeth Line Services operate to / from Paddington to stations listed above. But highlight a selection of passengers will choose to make an interconnecting journey via bus (i.e., on the 205). There may be numerous reasons, including the interchange onto a ‘tube’ service seen as challenging due to stairs or perceived unfamiliar environment of the Underground system
• Passengers with mobility impairments, luggage, buggies, or wheelchair users may prefer to utilise the bus connection for ease. Noting the current 205 service operates door to door at street level between key London Rail Termini
• Underground stations and accessibility. A ramp to assist with boarding is still required at London Paddington and Kings Cross underground stations. Passengers with mobility impairments, luggage, buggies, or wheelchair users may prefer to utilise the bus connection for ease. Also GWR note that Euston Square Underground station is step free in the Westbound Direction only
• The also flag that HS2 construction work in the next decade, at Old Oak Common, will mean services diverted to London Euston frequently. Having multiple methods of transport available for passengers to make the interchange to /from Paddington/ Euston will reduce obstacles resulting from this engineering work
• Also noted is the role of the 205 when the London Underground / Elizabeth route is closed during service disruption and engineering work. GWR feel that if the proposal went ahead, connecting journeys between National Rail Stations would be more challenging, with multiple changes required either via bus or alternative London Underground routes (such as Bakerloo Line)
GWR conclude by repeating that retaining passenger choice of two modes of connection options (tube / bus) between London Paddington and other key London termini enables confidence and ease for the passenger. Especially in the event of service disruption to either tube or bus. They a bus connection to remain between London Paddington and various key London Termini currently served by bus 205.
Re: Looe Branch Line - timetables, cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [362311/569/25] Posted by grahame at 17:35, 15th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
It's been suggested on another forum that Liskeard-Looe is often the first branch to be sacrificed on a Sunday when there is crew shortage as it's the easiest one to bustitute.
Probably true. It has the shortest journey time by road, good roads as well, so you don’t need a lot of coaches….. which would be a struggle to source on a Sunday, and the majority of journeys will be end to end.
Re: Bus Service 205 In "Transport for London" [362310/30357/46] Posted by grahame at 17:19, 15th June 2025 Already liked by Chris from Nailsea | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
TfL did put out a consultation - and I thought it got a mention somewhere in these pages about a year ago? Anyway, if didn't, I did hear about it & responded negatively, so the word was got out.
Not sure I recall the consultation from the Coffee Shop (or anywhere else) but certainly the press commented about it being consulted in London (or perhaps London and the South East) which perhaps wouldn't pick up the concerns of the long distance flows.
I wonder if GWR or Eurostar responded to TfL's consultation - whether they were invited and their opinions on this.
Press did comment that there was substantial negative response in the consultation but it's going ahead anyway.
Re: Bristol Rail Campign - to Lydney on 21st June In "Diary - what's happening when?" [362309/30363/34] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:14, 15th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
All good - provided the Severn Tunnel is actually reopened by then.

Re: Where was Finn today, 15th June 2025. In "The Lighter Side" [362308/30362/30] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:10, 15th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Hmm. From all that flint - somewhere in Suffolk?

Re: Falmouth Branch Line - stations, facilities, services and improvements In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [362307/33/25] Posted by RailCornwall at 16:41, 15th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I really don't accept that argument, there's sufficient time to get passengers briefed to cooperate quickly on Arrival./ Departure. The worst thing that caught me last year is the insane in my view shoving pax incoming from services from the west and the east at Truro into the main queue. Surely if you're in the network you shiuld get preferential treatment over those entering for the first time. Operating two queues has to be the fairest system.
Re: Looe Branch Line - timetables, cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [362306/569/25] Posted by a-driver at 16:32, 15th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
It's been suggested on another forum that Liskeard-Looe is often the first branch to be sacrificed on a Sunday when there is crew shortage as it's the easiest one to bustitute.
Probably true. It has the shortest journey time by road, good roads as well, so you don’t need a lot of coaches….. which would be a struggle to source on a Sunday, and the majority of journeys will be end to end.
Bristol Rail Campign - to Lydney on 21st June In "Diary - what's happening when?" [362305/30363/34] Posted by grahame at 16:21, 15th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
This is just a gentle reminder about our upcoming trip to Lydney this coming Saturday.
Saturday 21st June: Trip to Lydney in order to celebrate the new hourly Transport for Wales (TfW) service . We will catch a train from Temple Meads to Lydney, spend some quality time around there - before returning to Bristol in the afternoon.
Suggested trains: Outwards: Bristol Temple Meads 09.28 to Lydney at 10.53, with 1 change at Severn Tunnel Junction
Return: Lydney 16.08 to Temple Meads 17.17 or Lydney 17.08 to Temple Meads 18.17, with 1 change at Severn Tunnel Junction.
Cost: Peak Day return £19.10 or £12.70 with Railcard.
From the station you can walk down to the quay in Lydney Harbour - with its cafe, lovely views and its renowned standing stones. There is the Cross Keys Inn in Lydney for lunch or , if you want, you can splash out by going on the Dean Forest Steam Railway to Parkend (with an advance price of £17.50 or £9.00 for under-18s) where you can have lunch at the Fountain Inn. More information on this railway experience can be found at https://deanforestrailway.co.uk/.
High tide at Lydney Pier is around 5 pm and the tide rushes up dramatically in the two hours before; low tide is at about 11 am so plenty of time to observe the mud flats!
Saturday 21st June: Trip to Lydney in order to celebrate the new hourly Transport for Wales (TfW) service . We will catch a train from Temple Meads to Lydney, spend some quality time around there - before returning to Bristol in the afternoon.
Suggested trains: Outwards: Bristol Temple Meads 09.28 to Lydney at 10.53, with 1 change at Severn Tunnel Junction
Return: Lydney 16.08 to Temple Meads 17.17 or Lydney 17.08 to Temple Meads 18.17, with 1 change at Severn Tunnel Junction.
Cost: Peak Day return £19.10 or £12.70 with Railcard.
From the station you can walk down to the quay in Lydney Harbour - with its cafe, lovely views and its renowned standing stones. There is the Cross Keys Inn in Lydney for lunch or , if you want, you can splash out by going on the Dean Forest Steam Railway to Parkend (with an advance price of £17.50 or £9.00 for under-18s) where you can have lunch at the Fountain Inn. More information on this railway experience can be found at https://deanforestrailway.co.uk/.
High tide at Lydney Pier is around 5 pm and the tide rushes up dramatically in the two hours before; low tide is at about 11 am so plenty of time to observe the mud flats!
Where was Finn today, 15th June 2025. In "The Lighter Side" [362304/30362/30] Posted by JayMac at 16:05, 15th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Finn and I are currently enjoying a weekend away. Where are we today?

Re: Air India flight to London Gatwick crashed in Ahmedabad In "Introductions and chat" [362303/30350/1] Posted by broadgage at 16:03, 15th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The fact that the landing gear was not retracted suggests two possibilities to me.
Firstly a major loss of auxiliary power, including that required to retract the gear. Possible but unlikely.
Secondly, that the crew realised that there was a problem, and left the gear down in the hope of returning to the airport for an emergency landing. or perhaps making an emergency landing elsewhere.
Re: A coffee story with a difference ... In "The Lighter Side" [362302/30360/30] Posted by JayMac at 15:58, 15th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I'll have one coffee to go.
Re: Looe Branch Line - timetables, cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [362301/569/25] Posted by TaplowGreen at 15:44, 15th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
GWR had years to address this issue when it was in their control before the DfT tightened their grip. Instead of doing so they left it on the "too difficult" pile.
It's never been within GWR's control. That was the whole point of privatisation!
It's been suggested on another forum that Liskeard-Looe is often the first branch to be sacrificed on a Sunday when there is crew shortage as it's the easiest one to bustitute.
Re: Gone to the dogs? A look at greyhound racing's future - June 2025 In "Introductions and chat" [362300/30358/1] Posted by broadgage at 15:10, 15th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I am opposed to greyhound racing.
There seems little DIRECT cruelty involved, almost all of the dogs almost always survive the race, in stark contrast to horse racing in which many horses are killed.
My concern is the disposable way in which the dogs are treated. Many are killed or dumped if not successful, or when "retired"
Some end up as family pets, but many are dumped or killed. They are bred or selected for a strong instinct to chase prey and regrettably often even pet greyhounds kill cats, smaller dogs or wildlife.
As with horse racing, I do not wish to attend dog races, nor to gamble on the results, or to offer any other encouragement.
Re: Bus Service 205 In "Transport for London" [362299/30357/46] Posted by ChrisB at 15:09, 15th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
TfL did put out a consultation - and I thought it got a mention somewhere in these pages about a year ago? Anyway, if didn't, I did hear about it & responded negatively, so the word was got out.
Re: Looe Branch Line - timetables, cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [362298/569/25] Posted by ChrisB at 14:53, 15th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
What do you think the future holds for local Rail User Groups when it's all owned and run by the nation?
That is a superb question.
"What do you think" ... I think (I know!!) that I don't know enough about what the future holds. I can visualise good and bad scenarios; the question comes do we [just] wait and see or do we look to partner and persuade in what gets set up or not, and in what authority it has.
Partner with who(m), exactly?
Re: Weymouth - Westbury cancellations, 14 and 15 June 2025 In "Heart of Wessex" [362297/30356/19] Posted by Timmer at 13:20, 15th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The 13.32 Swindon to Weymouth has been reinstated from Westbury to Weymouth so one cheer rather than two that someone has been found to provide cover for part of the journey.
Re: Looe Branch Line - timetables, cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [362296/569/25] Posted by a-driver at 13:18, 15th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
GWR had years to address this issue when it was in their control before the DfT tightened their grip. Instead of doing so they left it on the "too difficult" pile.
It's never been within GWR's control. That was the whole point of privatisation!
Re: Looe Branch Line - timetables, cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [362295/569/25] Posted by TaplowGreen at 12:52, 15th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Cancellations to services between Liskeard and Looe
Due to a shortage of train crew between Liskeard and Looe the line is closed.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 15:00 15/06.
Customer Advice
Due to crew shortages, we are unable to run train services today.
Due to a shortage of train crew between Liskeard and Looe the line is closed.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 15:00 15/06.
Customer Advice
Due to crew shortages, we are unable to run train services today.
An astonishing failure ... on what would be a peak early summer's day. Should someone come back and explain that there's a local transmitted flu or something else that has struck all the crews in the last 24 hours, this service decimation is "unforgivable" ... but of course it will probably get forgotten in the mists of time and the fog of the next issue.
Two questions when something goes wrong:
1. What lessons will be learned from today?
2. How will those lessons result in actions which make sure this should not happen again?
1. Lessons were learnt a long time ago.
2. “7-day railway” discussions have been ongoing for sometime, unfortunately the DfT won’t release any further funding to resolve the issue. They want to continue with the “cheap sticky plaster” fixes which we all know doesn’t work.
The issue isn’t with GWR. GWR run the operation as per the contract outlined by the DfT. It’s for the DfT to sort.
GWR had years to address this issue when it was in their control before the DfT tightened their grip. Instead of doing so they left it on the "too difficult" pile.
Re: Weymouth - Westbury cancellations, 14 and 15 June 2025 In "Heart of Wessex" [362294/30356/19] Posted by TaplowGreen at 12:49, 15th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Today being Fathers Day, when some families would like to have been able to have a day out in Weymouth, just for example?
Could it be that some GWR drivers / train manager are fathers too and we have a case of "More fathers than usual being required at home at the same time"
I'm sure virtually every Father working today feels the same.
The fact that the date has been in the calendar for some time however seems to have enabled other businesses who can operate basic workforce planning to sustain their service.
Re: Bus Service 205 In "Transport for London" [362293/30357/46] Posted by stuving at 12:24, 15th June 2025 Already liked by rogerw | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I understand the 30 is changing too and will provide a route as far as Euston from the current 205 stops too.
No - the 30 won't run west of Euston. The Paddington-Euston (and Kings Cross too) route will be covered by 27 and 205, each part-way and overlapping.

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury In "TransWilts line" [362292/29726/18] Posted by grahame at 11:42, 15th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
16:43 Frome to Swindon due 17:34
16:43 Frome to Swindon due 17:34 will be terminated at Westbury.
It will no longer call at Trowbridge, Melksham, Chippenham and Swindon.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
16:43 Frome to Swindon due 17:34 will be terminated at Westbury.
It will no longer call at Trowbridge, Melksham, Chippenham and Swindon.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
17:44 Swindon to Salisbury due 18:55
17:44 Swindon to Salisbury due 18:55 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
17:44 Swindon to Salisbury due 18:55 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Re: Heathfield Tunnel reopens to walkers for 60th anniversary In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362291/30355/51] Posted by Mark A at 11:38, 15th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Hoping the spiral ramp bit attracts a gardening group too, it's compact, defined, manageable, prominent.
Mark
Re: Melksham's rail service - where are we, on the anniversary of being Beechinged? In "TransWilts line" [362290/30162/18] Posted by grahame at 11:37, 15th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Further pictures from our legal art wall, new art and the artists at work.


