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Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury In "TransWilts line" [358666/29726/18] Posted by bobm at 17:54, 21st February 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Strangely, it seems to have disappeared from Real Time Trains altogether.
Re: St Pancras plans for direct trains from UK to Germany - Feb 2025 In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [358665/29934/51] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:47, 21st February 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From Wikipedia:
The station's name comes from the St. Pancras parish, whose name originates from the fourth-century Christian boy martyr Pancras of Rome.
Pancras (Latin: Sanctus Pancratius) was a Roman citizen who converted to Christianity and was beheaded for his faith at the age of fourteen, around the year 304. His name is Greek (Πανκράτιος Pankrátios), meaning 'all-powerful'.
Pancras (Latin: Sanctus Pancratius) was a Roman citizen who converted to Christianity and was beheaded for his faith at the age of fourteen, around the year 304. His name is Greek (Πανκράτιος Pankrátios), meaning 'all-powerful'.
Re: St Pancras plans for direct trains from UK to Germany - Feb 2025 In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [358664/29934/51] Posted by grahame at 17:33, 21st February 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: St Pancras plans for direct trains from UK to Germany - Feb 2025 In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [358663/29934/51] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:11, 21st February 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
With thanks for starting this topic, eightonedee, I've moved it to this board, rather than our 'entirely overseas' board.
I'll also quote some detail from that BBC article:
New direct train routes from London to Germany, Switzerland and France could open as part of plans to boost passenger numbers at St Pancras station.
London St Pancras Highspeed, which owns the station and operates the track to the Channel Tunnel in Folkestone, has already set out proposals to increase capacity for international train travel from 1,800 passengers per hour to almost 5,000. It now wants to attract different train operators to offer a range of services in Europe.
Eurostar currently holds a monopoly on the trains through the Channel Tunnel with routes to Paris, Brussels and Amsterdam.
London St Pancras Highspeed and Getlink have signed an agreement that will help them to commit to expanding rail connectivity between the UK and Europe.
"Many European cities could be reached directly by train in under six hours which we believe is really competitive with short-haul air travel," said a spokesperson for London St Pancras Highspeed.
Yann Leriche, chief executive of Getlink, which owns Eurotunnel, said: "We are keen to drive forward attractive opportunities for low-carbon mobility with a range of new destinations in Germany, Switzerland and France."
Getlink believes it is possible for train services to Bordeaux, Cologne, Frankfurt, Geneva, Marseille and Zurich to be created. No set timeline has been revealed as yet.
Eurostar dropped services between London and Disneyland Paris in June 2023, and no longer has routes between London and the south of France.
Virgin Group and Evolyn are two companies developing plans for rival services to Eurostar that could take passengers to the newly proposed destinations. Virgin acknowledged that it would be a "huge undertaking" to establish a new cross-Channel operator but said the route was "ripe for change with plenty of room and potential for new competition at St Pancras and through the Tunnel".
Competition between different companies on the route would benefit all customers, a spokesperson added. London St Pancras Highspeed and Getlink have signed an agreement that will help them to commit to expanding rail connectivity between the UK and Europe.
Robert Sinclair, chief executive of London St Pancras Highspeed, said demand for international train travel was growing. He said his company would work with Getlink "to encourage new and existing train operators to expand capacity and launch new destinations unlocking the potential of a fully connected Europe".
London St Pancras Highspeed, which owns the station and operates the track to the Channel Tunnel in Folkestone, has already set out proposals to increase capacity for international train travel from 1,800 passengers per hour to almost 5,000. It now wants to attract different train operators to offer a range of services in Europe.
Eurostar currently holds a monopoly on the trains through the Channel Tunnel with routes to Paris, Brussels and Amsterdam.
London St Pancras Highspeed and Getlink have signed an agreement that will help them to commit to expanding rail connectivity between the UK and Europe.
"Many European cities could be reached directly by train in under six hours which we believe is really competitive with short-haul air travel," said a spokesperson for London St Pancras Highspeed.
Yann Leriche, chief executive of Getlink, which owns Eurotunnel, said: "We are keen to drive forward attractive opportunities for low-carbon mobility with a range of new destinations in Germany, Switzerland and France."
Getlink believes it is possible for train services to Bordeaux, Cologne, Frankfurt, Geneva, Marseille and Zurich to be created. No set timeline has been revealed as yet.
Eurostar dropped services between London and Disneyland Paris in June 2023, and no longer has routes between London and the south of France.
Virgin Group and Evolyn are two companies developing plans for rival services to Eurostar that could take passengers to the newly proposed destinations. Virgin acknowledged that it would be a "huge undertaking" to establish a new cross-Channel operator but said the route was "ripe for change with plenty of room and potential for new competition at St Pancras and through the Tunnel".
Competition between different companies on the route would benefit all customers, a spokesperson added. London St Pancras Highspeed and Getlink have signed an agreement that will help them to commit to expanding rail connectivity between the UK and Europe.
Robert Sinclair, chief executive of London St Pancras Highspeed, said demand for international train travel was growing. He said his company would work with Getlink "to encourage new and existing train operators to expand capacity and launch new destinations unlocking the potential of a fully connected Europe".
Re: The cost of driverless tube trains In "Transport for London" [358662/29933/46] Posted by TaplowGreen at 17:05, 21st February 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Ian visits reports on some figures from the Mayor of London on TfL report reveals the cost and challenges of introducing driverless tube trains
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/tfl-report-reveals-the-cost-and-challenges-of-introducing-driverless-tube-trains-79316/
Which raises the old question Ooose gonna pay?
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/tfl-report-reveals-the-cost-and-challenges-of-introducing-driverless-tube-trains-79316/
The report candidly states that upgrading to GoA3 or GoA4 on some lines would be value for money. It’s just that it costs an awful lot of money to deliver the value for money.
The Mayor’s answer last December broke the numbers down:
Bakerloo line – £4.4 billion
Central line – £10 billion
Piccadilly line – £4.9 billion (on top of the new trains already on order)
The Mayor’s answer last December broke the numbers down:
Bakerloo line – £4.4 billion
Central line – £10 billion
Piccadilly line – £4.9 billion (on top of the new trains already on order)
Which raises the old question Ooose gonna pay?
You'd have to factor in the costs of endless strikes too once the Unions got wind it was going to happen.
MOVED: At last, some good news this year? Further direct services to the continent. In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [358661/29935/52] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:00, 21st February 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
This topic has been moved to The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom.
https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=29934.0
It would be very interesting to know what suggested availability of these IEP units was, at the time of acquisition, compared to what is achieved. It looks as if there is an extremely thin amount of cover for failed units. In a lot of cases, it seems to me, no cover at all. A breakdown means a cancelled diagram, and that's that. And to hell with the passengers' plans
There are other hints at the tightness - such as the suspension of the Bristol - Oxford Saturday trial in the summer while an IET is going to Newquay. As the new(*) 175 units enter service, it will be very interesting(*) to see whether / how much they are used to relieve the tension on the IET fleet, how much they are used to relieve the tension on other fleets such as the 158s, and how much they are used to displace the other very oldest trans on the fleet rather than adding any extra robustness into the fleet.
Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025 In "London to the Cotswolds" [358659/29711/14] Posted by ChrisB at 15:41, 21st February 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
That answer is public - held within the contract for IETs by GWR. There is a specified number of units on standby to cover failed units, and I can't remember the number but I recall that they are in low single digit numbers per day,
Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025 In "London to the Cotswolds" [358658/29711/14] Posted by Witham Bobby at 15:19, 21st February 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
It would be very interesting to know what suggested availability of these IEP units was, at the time of acquisition, compared to what is achieved. It looks as if there is an extremely thin amount of cover for failed units. In a lot of cases, it seems to me, no cover at all. A breakdown means a cancelled diagram, and that's that. And to hell with the passengers' plans
Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025 In "London to the Cotswolds" [358657/29711/14] Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 15:12, 21st February 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Later:
15:23 London Paddington to Worcester Foregate Street due 17:47 will be cancelled.
This is due to a broken down train earlier today.
Last Updated:21/02/2025 14:35
18:02 Worcester Foregate Street to London Paddington due 20:29 will be started from Worcester Shrub Hill.
This is due to a broken down train earlier today.
Last Updated:21/02/2025 14:39
This is due to a broken down train earlier today.
Last Updated:21/02/2025 14:35
18:02 Worcester Foregate Street to London Paddington due 20:29 will be started from Worcester Shrub Hill.
This is due to a broken down train earlier today.
Last Updated:21/02/2025 14:39
The 18:02 is formed of the stock of this morning's failed 08:56.
Re: Coffee Shop forum Server load - ongoing issues, being resolved by grahame In "News, Help and Assistance" [358656/28701/29] Posted by grahame at 13:38, 21st February 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
OK - I think I have something in place to turn away the distributed spamspiders without interfering with members and guests.
Here is how busy the worker machine has been - overloading during the night, but with my tweaks doing better

And here is the day by day relentless rise. Days end at 03:30, so only part of the traffic from last night is yet seen - I expect it to look the same when I look tomorrow morning, but hope to see it eased off by Sunday.

Not sure if this is the correct board, but this has cheered me up considerably-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg5d6l5lz4jo
Re: Rural buses - does anyone promote them? In "Buses and other ways to travel" [358654/26977/5] Posted by eightonedee at 12:32, 21st February 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Living a bit further up the Thames, I think the answer is "no", but with a qualification.
We have a community bus (actually some elderly minibuses that look like they started life as semi-ambulances) run by a public spirited local person with volunteer drivers, and it is promoted through our monthly community newspaper, the Goring Gap News.
Apart from that there's hardly anything. I'm vaguely aware that Oxford Bus run something called the River Rapid service between Oxford and Reading, but don't see any publicity locally. I had to go on-line to find out where the nearest Reading Buses service gets to (it's Upper Basildon). But here in Goring & Streatley we are lucky enough to have a half-hourly train service that gets us into the centre of Reading in about 12 minutes.
I very seldom use a bus locally - I think I have been on more in France in the last few years! I have used one in Didcot to get to and from the garage that services my car if they cannot offer a courtesy car, but go on-line to find out what is running - which to be fair seems quite a comprehensive network covering a lot of the Wantage/Abingdon/south of Oxford area that's not so well served by rail.
I think the reason for so little publicity is that those who run the services simply assume that we all look everything up on-line, which is actually probably correct. With the severe decline in local newspapers, and the increasingly fractured nature of social media, it must be hardly worth the effort to do anything else. Tough though if you are elderly and not on-line.
The cost of driverless tube trains In "Transport for London" [358653/29933/46] Posted by CyclingSid at 11:35, 21st February 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Ian visits reports on some figures from the Mayor of London on TfL report reveals the cost and challenges of introducing driverless tube trains
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/tfl-report-reveals-the-cost-and-challenges-of-introducing-driverless-tube-trains-79316/
The report candidly states that upgrading to GoA3 or GoA4 on some lines would be value for money. It’s just that it costs an awful lot of money to deliver the value for money.
The Mayor’s answer last December broke the numbers down:
Bakerloo line – £4.4 billion
Central line – £10 billion
Piccadilly line – £4.9 billion (on top of the new trains already on order)
The Mayor’s answer last December broke the numbers down:
Bakerloo line – £4.4 billion
Central line – £10 billion
Piccadilly line – £4.9 billion (on top of the new trains already on order)
Which raises the old question Ooose gonna pay?
Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025 In "London to the Cotswolds" [358652/29711/14] Posted by Witham Bobby at 11:35, 21st February 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
08:56 Great Malvern to London Paddington due 11:24 will be terminated at Worcester Shrub Hill.
It will no longer call at Worcestershire Parkway Hl, Pershore, Evesham, Honeybourne, Moreton-In-Marsh, Kingham, Charlbury, Hanborough, Oxford, Didcot Parkway, Reading and London Paddington.
It is being delayed at Worcester Foregate Street.
This is due to a fault on this train.
Last Updated:21/02/2025 09:31
It will no longer call at Worcestershire Parkway Hl, Pershore, Evesham, Honeybourne, Moreton-In-Marsh, Kingham, Charlbury, Hanborough, Oxford, Didcot Parkway, Reading and London Paddington.
It is being delayed at Worcester Foregate Street.
This is due to a fault on this train.
Last Updated:21/02/2025 09:31
A cancellation in all but name for most who would have wished to join this train
Re: Coffee Shop forum Server load - ongoing issues, being resolved by grahame In "News, Help and Assistance" [358651/28701/29] Posted by grahame at 10:58, 21st February 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Getting requests at up to ten per second and because our worker is seeing them all from the receptionist these days, it's a bit different to seeing where they'e coming from than it was when they came in direct. Working on it / think I have a fix in place - just testing.
Re: Coffee Shop forum Server load - ongoing issues, being resolved by grahame In "News, Help and Assistance" [358650/28701/29] Posted by Phantom at 10:50, 21st February 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I've now updated the heading of this particular topic, simply to make it less historic date specific - and to record that grahame is continually dealing with these issues.
Dealing with these issues - again - this morning. You may notice some slower responses or even no response or being turned away while I find out what's been going on overnight.
I've had the following message when viewing threads a couple of times this morning and the same thing a couple of days ago.
"A quick answer from our receptionist
The "Coffee Shop" is a popular and busy forum, and you have been calling for a lot of complex pages in a very short time. Are you real? If you are, and you keep getting this message, please get in touch with the admin team (address below)."
I guess it is known, but I still get taken to another page when I click the "like" tab, then have to press the back key to return to the forum
Oddly when I click "reply" which I tried to do here, I get this message
https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/light.html
Re: Coffee Shop forum Server load - ongoing issues, being resolved by grahame In "News, Help and Assistance" [358649/28701/29] Posted by IndustryInsider at 10:24, 21st February 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I've now updated the heading of this particular topic, simply to make it less historic date specific - and to record that grahame is continually dealing with these issues.
Dealing with these issues - again - this morning. You may notice some slower responses or even no response or being turned away while I find out what's been going on overnight.
I've had the following message when viewing threads a couple of times this morning and the same thing a couple of days ago.
"A quick answer from our receptionist
The "Coffee Shop" is a popular and busy forum, and you have been calling for a lot of complex pages in a very short time. Are you real? If you are, and you keep getting this message, please get in touch with the admin team (address below)."
Re: Rural buses - does anyone promote them? In "Buses and other ways to travel" [358648/26977/5] Posted by Ralph Ayres at 09:42, 21st February 2025 Already liked by Witham Bobby | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I'm guessing that subsidised routes in particular don't get promoted. The funding authority will only see it as their role to make sure a service is provided to meet proven need rather than encouraging extra travel, and the operator won't be interested as they're getting paid anyway.
Cynically I'd say that on occasion the local authority may deliberately keep awareness as low as possible in the hope that low usage will demonstrate that the service isn't needed and the subsidy can be dropped. I've certainly come across cases where the only timetables on the ground have been put up by local residents worried that no-one knows the bus runs so it isn't getting used.
100 years of coach travel In "Buses and other ways to travel" [358647/29932/5] Posted by TaplowGreen at 09:36, 21st February 2025 Already liked by eightonedee | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
BBC Breakfast marking the anniversary with quite a lengthy article this morning from London focussing on the London- Bristol service - passengers stating more reliable, comfortable and much cheaper than the alternatives although generally somewhat slower....here's another article marking it.........
https://www.route-one.net/features/a-celebration-of-100-years-of-scheduled-coach-services/
Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury In "TransWilts line" [358646/29726/18] Posted by grahame at 08:49, 21st February 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
17:35 Swindon to Westbury due 18:19
17:35 Swindon to Westbury due 18:19 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
17:35 Swindon to Westbury due 18:19 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Busiest train of the day ... no alternative suggested except "get your money back and have a free journey on the next train" as it's over an hour later. Why chose this train to cancel if you're short of crew?
Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury In "TransWilts line" [358645/29726/18] Posted by John D at 08:40, 21st February 2025 Already liked by grahame | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Clearly not telling public the truth.
Train is announced as terminating early at Westbury (but the alleged fault allows it to continue from time of announcement through to Westbury, so if it could continue that far, could have got to Southampton).
Train is miraculously fixed at Westbury, and can be used to form another service missing a train.
2V58 the return train from Southampton is showing as cancelled for reason M8 (problem with the train), ie it's not available, although codes YR or YU (tactical unit swaps) sound more likely
Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury In "TransWilts line" [358644/29726/18] Posted by TaplowGreen at 08:25, 21st February 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
16:23 Westbury to Swindon due 17:05
16:23 Westbury to Swindon due 17:05 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
17:35 Swindon to Westbury due 18:19
17:35 Swindon to Westbury due 18:19 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury In "TransWilts line" [358643/29726/18] Posted by grahame at 08:15, 21st February 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
And again ....
05:11 Gloucester to Southampton Central due 08:09
05:11 Gloucester to Southampton Central due 08:09 will be terminated at Westbury.
It will no longer call at Dilton Marsh, Warminster, Salisbury, Romsey and Southampton Central.
This is due to a fault on this train.
05:11 Gloucester to Southampton Central due 08:09 will be terminated at Westbury.
It will no longer call at Dilton Marsh, Warminster, Salisbury, Romsey and Southampton Central.
This is due to a fault on this train.
That is very odd indeed ...

So it was capped at Westbury due to a fault on the train, but then 5 minutes later conveniently able to form a train to Weymouth? Yes - there is a fault on the train (no loos reported on the Weymouth train) but it very much looks to me that "this is due to a fault on this train" is NOT why it didn't continue to Southampton - it was "hijacked" to form the Weymouth service. Am I reading this wrong? Are we being fed porkies?
Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury In "TransWilts line" [358642/29726/18] Posted by grahame at 07:52, 21st February 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
16:23 Westbury to Swindon due 17:05
16:23 Westbury to Swindon due 17:05 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
16:23 Westbury to Swindon due 17:05 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Re: Coffee Shop forum Server load - ongoing issues, being resolved by grahame In "News, Help and Assistance" [358641/28701/29] Posted by grahame at 07:18, 21st February 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I've now updated the heading of this particular topic, simply to make it less historic date specific - and to record that grahame is continually dealing with these issues.
Dealing with these issues - again - this morning. You may notice some slower responses or even no response or being turned away while I find out what's been going on overnight.
Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury In "TransWilts line" [358640/29726/18] Posted by grahame at 07:09, 21st February 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
And again ....
05:11 Gloucester to Southampton Central due 08:09
05:11 Gloucester to Southampton Central due 08:09 will be terminated at Westbury.
It will no longer call at Dilton Marsh, Warminster, Salisbury, Romsey and Southampton Central.
This is due to a fault on this train.
05:11 Gloucester to Southampton Central due 08:09 will be terminated at Westbury.
It will no longer call at Dilton Marsh, Warminster, Salisbury, Romsey and Southampton Central.
This is due to a fault on this train.
Re: Defibrillators on traiins In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [358639/29927/51] Posted by Electric train at 06:40, 21st February 2025 Already liked by PrestburyRoad | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Indeed they do - but no way of tracking where or which depot that train is at at the point of requiring service.
So do you give the job of tracking the defibs to some depot manager who passes on the defib info if/when that train gets seconded or transferred, possibly across country. Not only do you need to advise the company providing battery support, but the 999 operator.
Not exactly straight forward
So do you give the job of tracking the defibs to some depot manager who passes on the defib info if/when that train gets seconded or transferred, possibly across country. Not only do you need to advise the company providing battery support, but the 999 operator.
Not exactly straight forward
With modern rolling stock the train maintenance teams know exactly where every coach is at any time, all rolling stock is tracked using GPS, can feed back live data or the data is downloaded as it enters a depot. Maintenance records will hold serial numbers of all key components when last inspected, due for replacement .............. so an AED not a problem.
Not forgetting the good old fashioned planned preventative maintenance using visual inspection
Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025 In "Across the West" [358638/29650/26] Posted by TaplowGreen at 06:02, 21st February 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Delays to services between Slough and Reading
Due to a points failure between Slough and Reading some lines are blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 10:00 21/02.
Customer Advice
We are sorry for the delay to your journey today.
Can you tell me more about the incident?
A set of points on one of the lines between Slough and Reading has failed.
Re: Planning permission needed to use a residence as a holiday home or let In "Across the West" [358637/29909/26] Posted by eightonedee at 23:45, 20th February 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
In big developments land owners or potential landowners apply for outline planning permission, get it, then sell to a builder to actually do the work.
It's more complicated than that. The big problem for larger schemes is the considerable up-front costs of applying for, then obtaining planning permission, and that there's no guarantee that a permission will be granted. If the landowner is (very) wealthy, they might do it themselves. Often landowners will get no further than promoting their land for designation in the Local Plan for the area as a site to be designated for development, and then seek some kind of agreement with a developer under which the developer agrees to fund and pursue the planning application itself, and either agrees to buy the land conditional upon obtaining the permission within an agreed time limit, or is given the option to buy at something of a discount to reflect the fact that they have put in investment at risk in pursuing a planning application. Quite often the developer will take its agreement at the stage that sites are being selected in the Local Plan, as this process can be protracted and expensive as the plan has to be examined by a planning inspector, for example if the plan is subject to challenge through the courts, or if there are competing sites being put forward and the authority or inspector has to choose between them.
In the last couple of decades a new type of player in the market has emerged. These are land promoters. They use risk capital to promote sites through the local plan and planning application process, and if the whole process is successful, the site is sold and they get a share of the sale price as their reward. This has provided a supply of sites available to build, without the actual builder/developer having to tie up risk capital in promoting the land through these processes with no guarantee of success. The large national housebuilders have different overall business strategies as to how much they invest in what is known as strategic land, and how much they prefer instead to buy (to use the industry term) "oven-ready" sites.
If you are a promoter or well advised landowner going the whole hog and getting a planning permission, you would be well advised to get an outline permission and sell with the benefit of this. Each developer has its own idea of what will sell, its corporate style image and (in most cases) standard house-types that it will want to use, so in most greenfield sites it is a waste of money to approval of the details before a sale. There's a little risk left though at the outline planning stage, as it can take a long time to get those reserved matters approvals needed to start on site.
If outline planning permission with reserved matters 3 years. If you then submit detailed planning permission (reserved matters in the outline) then another 2 years. If you apply for permission with all the details then 3 years.
Correct - this was shortened from 5 years by the Blair regime, just in time for the 2008 crash, which meant that there were a number of sites with no buyers, or buyers with no cash to implement with time running against them. However, all you need do in that time is implement the permission - take some initial step such as cutting some foundations, to keep the permission alive if you have cleared off all the pre-start conditions and obtained the reserved matters approvals.
But if you have invested all that resource in obtaining the planning and approvals and buying the land, that money is burning a hole in your pocket, so you have every commercial incentive to build and sell at a price and rate the market will bear to get your money back. Closing a site for a volume housebuilder is very much a last resort, not least because re-opening it incurs further expense.
The Paignton scheme is interesting. I see it's a mixed scheme of retail, industrial and warehousing that was granted outline permission in 2016 pursuant to a 2014 application on a major redundant office site. From the planning history it looks like quite a bit of the other elements have been built. The permission seems to have been obtained by a not very substantial company. The residential elements are still up for sale as far as I can see. I assume that approval of reserved matters for a full (in theory) ready-to-build scheme has been obtained to keep the permission alive for the residential part of the scheme. There must be something that has put off the any housebuilding company from buying - it could be any one of a number of things - the party promoting the scheme may have designed something that no-one can make work financially in the local market, the presence of an adjoining busy retail/commercial site might hit sales values, or their due diligence has disclosed technical problems that has scared off buyers.
As the permission in the 2016 permission has been implemented, it is still a live permission, but it's an unusual animal to still be there unbuilt. This is not a housebuilder sitting on a site, it's a landowner, promoter or commercial developer who cannot sell it for development. They might (of course) have already got the money they have spent buying and promoting the site back by building or selling the other elements.