You may be right - but it gets more complex with the different overlapping layout principles. It's an issue we have on the Coffee Shop.  Do we organise our regional boards by
* Line or service
* Station or station group
* Political area
* Travel to work area
* Trains depot or depot group area
* Train operating company or division
and I'm far from convinced that we have it right for all uses.  We have gone for a line or service model - and it works well for issues like shortforms on Cardiff - Portsmouth, but where to post about congestion at Westbury and the need for a fourth platform?   And the slow introduction of the 175s and the effect on services doesn't really go on one line, but it's not universal either for "Across the West" - they won't be up in the Thames Valley, for example.

I have also noticed traction issues with user groups as they get geographically wider - the typical used may be interested in his station / line / service to the exclusion of others. Whilst those of us who are older, better travelled, more thinking and more looking ahead may push for the regional approach, other users who may join and be active for user groups which tend to engage with something for the next year or two on their home line, so the exclusion (and even sometimes against) other lines in their network region.

 

Calder says not if travelling from/to the North of the island

 
I'm reading this as a bit of a grey area where technically you still won't need a passport to cross the border but you will need one to travel on a boat or plane to make that crossing; walking across the land border won’t need one, but indeed, what about a rail journey?

My only experience was back in the 1980s, returning from a few days in Ireland via Fishguard. We were two youngish men travelling with not much luggage and probably fitted some form of profile arousing suspicion given all the terrorist activity at the time. While heading for the train we were accosted by someone in plain clothes demanding ID, of which I had none and had checked beforehand that I didn't need any. It being some unearthly hour of the morning what particularly bugged me was that she had produced no ID herself and wasn't at any form of checkpoint or barrier so could be literally anyone, which I pointed out.  Uniformed port staff did eventually reassure me that she was legitimate and after answering a couple of questions and perusing my friend’s driving licence we were on our way.  I suppose it could have led to us being delayed but as I was only heading on to work as soon as the train arrived at Paddington I wasn't too worried as it would have made an interesting excuse!

 
I suspect user groups will slowly align to the new Transport Authority holders boundaries eventually - as that is where we will need to campaign to - Unitary Mayoral Authorities generally, eventually

 
Just to show this is not at all a local speciality - and it is still August, after all - gare Montparnasse was shot down for most of today by an electricity supply fault in a control room. This happened at 10:30, and at 14:00 it was announced that the fault had been found and recovery started. But from when trains started running at 15:00 there were delays of several hours.

So was that good to get out of the way before the last big end-of-holidays weekend, or was the system just getting in practice?

 

It's a "reference" post - designed at the top of the thread to inform without going on and on ... but allowing addition and explanations

Wiltshire used to have four district councils - North Wiltshire, West Wiltshire, Kennet and Salsibury, and you can add Swindon which was formerly a part of Wiltshire and still is for things like postal addresses and police.  The West Wiltshire Rail User Group was formed to align with the West Wiltshire District Council boundaries.

Although the District Council has long gone, the user group remains covering the same geographic area. WWRUG have reviewed the area covered, and stuck with it.  It makes sense in that we cover a section of the Cardiff -> Portsmouth main line and service that branch off from it / connect with it.  We are happy to welcome members from Frome, from Freshford, and also from Chippenham and Bath in relation to journeys to and from West Wiltshire.

So there you are - 5 towns, 7 open stations, and all trains from those stations converging on Westbury as a common factor.

Should a new station be built for Devizes Gateway, it would be just in the constituency of Brian Mathew, whereas the old Patney and Chriton station site is in the constituency of Danny Kruger.

 
Thanks for stirring up the embers on this topic, IndustryInsider. 

 
Posting from my own insurance broker background: if a claim arises, but a compromise rather than a huge payout is possible, a loss adjuster will negotiate a pragmatic payment.

So yes: the insurers could pay for a new ticket office - but it wouldn't necessarily be a complete brick-by-brick rebuild of the original.

CfN. 

 
Indeed. 

In my wallet, I carry my squeaky clean driving licence (which incorporates a really scary historic image of me), together with my North Somerset concessionary bus pass (which contains a slightly less scary historic image of me) and my Old Gits Senior Railcard, which actually has no means of personal identification whatever.

That's why I choose to keep all of those cards together in my wallet. If anything untoward were to happen, someone would hopefully be able to identify me, sooner rather than later.

I have no current intention of travelling to Ireland, by the way, after they trounced us at Twickenham. 

CfN. 

 

Devil's Advocate question - would we expect them to re-instate like for like, or replace the ticket office / facilities with something perhaps smaller and not having a ticket office window at all?

 
Thanks for your interesting, and thought-provoking, post here, grahame. 

I note that you have excluded here the constituency of Swindon South in that area.  The sitting Member of Parliament there is Heidi Alexander MP, who just happens to be the Secretary of State for Transport.

Posting this here as someone from outside the area (most of the time) for two reasons: firstly, to demonstrate that I have read grahame's post, and secondly to allow him to expand this topic as to why "West Wiltshire' stops at Chippenham.

CfN. 

 

Thank you for confirming that. 

The original post says "this is to ensure compliance".  Reading that carefully, I found myself wondering if it's easier for Irish Ferries simply to have a standard check (passport) for everyone that meets and indeed surpasses what the Border Force want - and that the Border Force would be happy with other IDs such as a driving license, bus pass, ...

Edit to add ....


As a private company, they can choose what ID they require of travellers and it's probably better business to look after the 95% who have passports and are so easy and uniform to process that spend time and money and employ more people to process the 5% "awkward squad'.  There is no requirement that I know on them to act as a common carrier.

 
Reading today that the DfT have given money to repair the station. GWR don't pay for anything except maybe the new staff exit and on the platform 2 a train indicator the size of  a large Ipad on a post.

I don't know if there was insurance money but the ticket office looks to be out of action for months?

 
Indeed, you can walk across the land border between N.Ireland & Eire. Still.

 

Northern Ireland is part of the UK, so no reason to require a Passport.

 
I still have a copy of this particular timetable book and indeed had marvelled at the Lavington service. I did also do a first and last trip to Devizes in the last days. This involved the service that Mark highlights and I had intended to explore at Patney. It was however snowing heavily and about a foot deep. So a swift return to the train was sensible. I had to buy a separate ticket at Devizes for the trip to Patney and I still have a complete Edmonson Ordinary return ticket - Third Class.

 
This change strikes me as contradicting the original legislation. Need a serious lawyer involved. In an article today there is no change to using ferries to Northern Ireland or to crossing the border. Apparently not all airlines require a passport for journeys to the Republic although the Irish immigration do seem to like one.

I have not used an Irish Ferry for perhaps 10 years and then no id of any sort was required. I just had to give (any) name! 

 
I suspect if you tried to book the Melksham to Weymouth service, it "might" offer a reservation BUT it would be specified as any seat on the train. The system does this from time to time on Weymouth services especially if a via WSB journey where a onward reservation might be "genuine."

 
From Irish Ferries via Facebook


I have travelled many time to Ireland with Irish Ferries, Stena, and occasionally Air Flingus and Ryanair.  Passport has never been required on the ferry before and I thought we had a free travel zone? This reads as if it's a UK Government change? what about the Stranraer to Larne and other ferries to Northern Ireland, and indeed the Enterprise international train from Belfast to Dublin?

 

............or they just don't go at all.  I used to be a fairly frequent day tripper to London. 0950 through train to Waterloo and the 1920 through train back to Warminster - perfect timings.  Then the through trains were removed.....then, eventually, a few through trains were re-introduced (London bound only). The (new) 0750 to Waterloo was useful - it meant a change at Salisbury, with variable connection times, on the return leg but wasn't too bad.  Now the 0750 through train has been removed................should I bother any more ?

Buy some new colour matched mats for the Fiesta perhaps.............

 

Pleased to see that XC are now once again serving Brockenhurst on their hourly Bournemouth <>Manchester services.

 
With the move of train operation from train operating companies to HM Government, shareholder interest lessens amd political interest increases.  And that means that inputs via our elected representatives are likely to be all the more important in the future; I'm looking to our MPs at present, but also to our Unitary Council which is the "LTA" - Local Transport Authority - and potentially to new regional mayors.

The West Wiltshire Rail Users Group covers an area split between two constituncies - Melksham and Devizes represented by Brian Mathew, and South West Wilthshire represented by Andrew Murrison

I am posting this under "new and campaigns" because at the current time, with loads of changes happening and with risks and opportunities abounding, the group is far more than just a train information club.



Melksham and Devizes:



South West Wiltshire:

 

I can't remember GWR ever providing a service for Taplow on a Sunday - at least not in the 25 or so years I've lived here - other Forum members will no doubt recall me moaning on this subject at length over the years (not that I'm inclined to moan of course  )

Now we get a half hourly Elizabeth Line service - a huge improvement.

 

Those prices are what the Interrail's agency will charge you for a reservation.  Your Interrail pass generates your ticket and there is no need for a reservation on most trains which, however, you can make at that price or for free at a ticket office or on some sites - the GWR new look has removed the option to do just-reservations but I believe it's still available at TPE without a fee. 

You DO need to make reservation in the UK on sleeper trains and some open access trains.  There may be the odd one of those in the screen capture I did, but most of those are National Network services which you can just jump on.  Without a seat reservation, you are not guaranteed a seat


Well identified down to the line.  I was pointing out the potential absurdity if all UK trains went "reservation required".

 
The interrail example at those prices must be Advance tickets surely - which require reservations - as do Lumo services which may also be included in the services being offered in that grid.

That photo is of an London Underground service (Bakerloo?).

 

If you see pictures of Devizes station in this period, you see a single track through what was once a three platform station, the line snaking in over stubs of pointwork.  No-one was bothering with connections or generating traffic, by that point knowing that the axe was about to fall.

It's a common sort of pattern - two trains a day into Halwill from the north, with the second one arriving 10 minutes after the train headed towards Okehampton and Exeter had left.

 

What was it they provided on Sundays for Taplow please?

Mark