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Re: Bridge hit - again "Freshford" = Limpley Stoke?
In "Portsmouth to Cardiff" [377043/32077/20]
Posted by Mark A at 12:42, 14th July 2026
 
Really grateful for this. When I suggested that perhaps it was more profitable to deal with constant bridge strikes than to run a railway it was only partly tongue-in-cheek - it was LNER who at one point said the quiet bit out loud, observing at I think a shareholders meeting that their profitability had deteriorated because, infrastructure maintenance related, given that the causes of various disruptive incidents, the train operating company were not receiving as much compensation from Network Rail.

The announcement perhaps showed that both organisations were in danger of losing sight of where the passenger was in all this.

Mark

Re: Memories of schooldays, and what inspired us - split topic
In "Introductions and chat" [377042/32234/1]
Posted by Mark A at 12:33, 14th July 2026
 
'Failed' in that you hadn't yet the strength or gained the technique to move the lever?

Mark

Re: Bridge hit - again "Freshford" = Limpley Stoke?
In "Portsmouth to Cardiff" [377041/32077/20]
Posted by grahame at 12:29, 14th July 2026
Already liked by JohnM
 
After - yet another - hit yesterday, I have pressed a few buttons

The bridge on the B3108 at Limpley Stoke, where the railway crosses over the road, has been hit by vehicles a number of time this year.  You can find reports on it via https://www.passenger.chat/search.html?search=Limpley - a rail passenger forum which records and discusses issues affecting train travel.  In the last couple of months - 27th May 2026; 4th June 2026; 19th June 2026; 24th June 2026; 13th July 2026 and some of those stories reference multiple hits.

Bridge hits mean that the railway has to be closed while safety checks are made, and that means than trains cannot serve Bradford-on-Avon or Avoncliff.  A limited service is maintained between Trowbridge and Bath Spa, diverted via Chippenham, but due to the limited capacity of that route means that the local service on that line is withdrawn, throwing passenger onto the diverted trains at different times to the timetabled ones, and serving different places.  The impact is serious at all stations in the Melksham and Devizes constituecy, and indeed it's felt far further afield as it's the main line from South Wales (and Bristol) to Salisbury, Southampton and Portsmouth that is blocked.

Question ...

I am - hopeful, bearing in mind the response I have got, that this series of bridge hits has not gone un-noticed ... and that I am now on the radar to hear back and be able to report to WWRUG, MTUG and the Coffee Shop.  It may be moving from "let's clear up the mess when it happens" to "how can we reduce the number of times this happens"

Re: Buying tickets via the GWR web site: issue with railcards
In "Fare's Fair" [377040/32232/4]
Posted by Mark A at 12:00, 14th July 2026
 
Thanks, both. Checking GWR's advance fares, whether it's the quotas or the demand, the advance purchase offer for morning peak  travel with a rail card bottoms out at £85 one way** so isn't good at the moment.

Also, given a pair of medical considerations, inflexible travel constraints pose a risk.

An option is to railhead it to Didcot Parkway and an off peak day return at £25:10 (but another option, given the hassle of getting to and from the station here and in the continued absence of the just-after-nine-am train through to Waterloo is to simply do something else.)

Mark

To be fair there are some instances of AP fares from Bath Spa to Paddington at £16.60 at a month's horizon (and on the 05:35...)

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [377039/18719/26]
Posted by ChrisB at 11:45, 14th July 2026
 
Thursday might bbe 'interesting', as might next Monday....along with Sunday pm

Re: Nationalised operation maybe - but who OWNS the trains?
In "Across the West" [377038/32220/26]
Posted by ChrisB at 11:44, 14th July 2026
 
KI think that's what they are planning to happen already

Re: Two East Midlands Railway trains collide near Bedford, 19th June 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377037/32151/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 11:23, 14th July 2026
 
From the BBC:

Train crash driver died from traumatic injuries

A train driver died from traumatic injuries to the brain and chest in the Bedfordshire train crash, an inquest has heard.

Shaun Burton, 60, died when his train ploughed into the back of another service at Elstow, near Bedford, on 19 June. It left 162 people injured, including 102 who required hospital treatment.

An inquest into the death of the driver opened in Ampthill, Bedfordshire, and has been adjourned until a later date which has not been fixed yet.

Senior Coroner for Bedfordshire and Luton, Emma Whitting, told the hearing the inquest would be adjourned pending reports from the Rail Accident Investigation Branch (RAIB) and British Transport Police.

Burton lived in Cambridgeshire and previously been a parish and district councillor, representing The Stukeleys ward on Huntingdonshire District Council.

During the hearing, which lasted five minutes, the coroner's officer read a statement which said a consultant pathologist identified the cause of death to be traumatic injuries to the brain stem and chest, pending further investigations.

Burton was pronounced dead at the scene at 18:49 BST on 19 June. He was formally identified by the Fingerprint Identification Bureau on 25 June, the coroner's report said.


More than 100 people needed hospital treatment - Image © Justin Rivett

An interim report by the RAIB (RAIB) said that Burton's East Midlands Railway train proceeded past a red signal moments before the collision.

His train had been heading towards London St Pancras, after leaving Corby, Northamptonshire, at 16:40 BST.  The other train had been travelling in the same direction and was running ahead of the Corby service, having originated in Nottingham at 15:50.

The Nottingham service had come to a stop "unexpectedly" because of a fault with its Automatic Warning System (AWS) equipment, investigators found.

Data seen by investigators showed Burton's train's brakes were activated for about nine seconds before the collision, when the train was travelling at about 76mph.  Its speed had reduced to 49mph when the impact happened.


Re: Server slow ...
In "News, Help and Assistance" [377036/30293/29]
Posted by grahame at 10:58, 14th July 2026
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
This is - and will continue to be - an ongoing thread of pressures put on our servers by rogue (accidental or intentional) clients.  The old "Save the Train" website at http://www.savethetrain.org.uk usually gets around 4,000 accesses per day. Since 04:30 this morning, we have had 200,000 - 197,000 from a single location, up to 1,500 per second and that has had a noticeable effect on other sites on the machine, including the Coffee Shop.

I have added the "attacking" IP address to the forbidden list ... will not stop it asking, but it will be told to go away (and perhaps in a language it understands) with much less call on resource per request

Re: Memories of schooldays, and what inspired us - split topic
In "Introductions and chat" [377035/32234/1]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 10:54, 14th July 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
I have taken something of a liberty here in splitting the above post off to start a new topic - simply to justify my adding my own schooldays reminiscences. 

My inspiration then was not in the classroom but out in the open air.  On Friday afternoons at Brislington School (Bristol), the sixth form were timetabled 'Liberal Studies' - when we could choose whichever we liked.  My choice, with several others, was on the theme of industrial archeology, led by Martin 'Kipper' Lee. He had a PSV license (which he carried with pride) and thus access to the school minibus for the afternoon.

He took us out to Crofton Pumping House on the Kennet & Avon Canal and the railway signal box at Ashton Gate (now long gone), for example.  As the teacher in charge of a group of genuinely interested students, he was given favourable treatment and access at such sites.  That is why I was given the opportunity to work a traditional signal lever in the box at Ashton Gate, on the line which was still used for goods traffic.  I failed miserably, to the mirth of my fellow students and much eye rolling from the signalman and the train driver, who was waiting outside.

Those were happy days.  CfN. 

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377033/31359/18]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 10:43, 14th July 2026
 
Now, that 'b' road wasn't a through route for around ten days - closed for works to a gas main on Winsley Hill. That would have been a good opportunity to improve the signage and sightlines to the bridge - was this done? On the first day it reopened, it was struck again... It can't be that there's more income to be made from the constant risk and disruption of bridge strikes here than there is from simply operating the railway can it?

Mark

Actually it was open by Saturday afternoon (my sat nav said it was closed, but all the closed signs had been removed, and D1 bus was running normally)

However during the closure, a lot more vegetation has sagged from Network rail land towards the road, making any signage harder to see, but there is now a height restriction warning sign on blue background about 150m before the bridge, which I think is new (although the overhanging vegetation partly hides it as driving towards it)


I have just asked for advice from a friend with a foot in multiple camps as to the best / most effective way of bringing the very real issues this is causing rail passengers across the whole area to attention to get appropriate attention.

If it's growing on Network Rail land, it's their responsibility to address it - had a similar issue a year or two back with overgrown vegetation near Taplow station making it virtually impossible to use the pavement, and people were having to walk in the road - to their credit, once they were made aware of it they cut it back quite quickly - I would suggest you drop them a line with all the details, location etc - it tends to be very reactive rather than proactive.

https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=25289.0

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377032/31359/18]
Posted by grahame at 10:34, 14th July 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
Now, that 'b' road wasn't a through route for around ten days - closed for works to a gas main on Winsley Hill. That would have been a good opportunity to improve the signage and sightlines to the bridge - was this done? On the first day it reopened, it was struck again... It can't be that there's more income to be made from the constant risk and disruption of bridge strikes here than there is from simply operating the railway can it?

Mark

Actually it was open by Saturday afternoon (my sat nav said it was closed, but all the closed signs had been removed, and D1 bus was running normally)

However during the closure, a lot more vegetation has sagged from Network rail land towards the road, making any signage harder to see, but there is now a height restriction warning sign on blue background about 150m before the bridge, which I think is new (although the overhanging vegetation partly hides it as driving towards it)


I have just asked for advice from a friend with a foot in multiple camps as to the best / most effective way of bringing the very real issues this is causing rail passengers across the whole area to attention to get appropriate attention.

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [377031/231/28]
Posted by Phantom at 10:34, 14th July 2026
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
Erm ... I've put it in my post above. 

No idea how I missed it

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377030/31359/18]
Posted by John D at 10:29, 14th July 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
Now, that 'b' road wasn't a through route for around ten days - closed for works to a gas main on Winsley Hill. That would have been a good opportunity to improve the signage and sightlines to the bridge - was this done? On the first day it reopened, it was struck again... It can't be that there's more income to be made from the constant risk and disruption of bridge strikes here than there is from simply operating the railway can it?

Mark

Actually it was open by Saturday afternoon (my sat nav said it was closed, but all the closed signs had been removed, and D1 bus was running normally)

However during the closure, a lot more vegetation has sagged from Network rail land towards the road, making any signage harder to see, but there is now a height restriction warning sign on blue background about 150m before the bridge, which I think is new (although the overhanging vegetation partly hides it as driving towards it)

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377029/31359/18]
Posted by Mark A at 09:31, 14th July 2026
 
Now, that 'b' road wasn't a through route for around ten days - closed for works to a gas main on Winsley Hill. That would have been a good opportunity to improve the signage and sightlines to the bridge - was this done? On the first day it reopened, it was struck again... It can't be that there's more income to be made from the constant risk and disruption of bridge strikes here than there is from simply operating the railway can it?

Mark

Memories of schooldays, and what inspired us - split topic
In "Introductions and chat" [377028/32234/1]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 09:23, 14th July 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
***snip***

** Perhaps it's the case that where it was beneath the road, its structure has been removed: it must be not straightforward to bury a steel structure and expect it to remain load-bearing... though there's then the puzzle of the downstream parapet railings, in plain view alongside the current road.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/nJJRAsomaMvHy7e69

More background and legal stuff:

https://lymm.uk/warburton-toll-bridge-Acts-overview

Mark

Fascinating.  Thank you.  The Manchester Ship Canal was one of the great engineering projects o the Victorian era that we studied for O-Level history.  Miss Wheelton in Room 4 at Evesham High School in 1970 seems now to be of a piece with the era that we studied!

Re: Andy Burnham elected to parliament, with a strong transport reputation
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [377027/32149/40]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 09:02, 14th July 2026
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea, TaplowGreen
 
Wait seven decades for a coronation, then two come along in three years

Re: Nationalised operation maybe - but who OWNS the trains?
In "Across the West" [377026/32220/26]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 08:06, 14th July 2026
Already liked by grahame, Mark A, Chris from Nailsea
 
Exactly who owns the trains currently is a somewhat complicated subject but what I do think is that as part of the ongoing nationalisation of our railway, and the naissance of GBR, ownership of the rolling stock should have progressively transferred to within the industry.

However I do not advocate for one moment binning the existing ROSCO's because, aside from anything else, the country can't afford it. Just change the procurement model so all new trains are ordered by, and become the property of, GBR. And let the involvement of the ROSCO's run down as and when existing rolling stock reaches it's BBE date.

And if the people who know about this stuff conclude that farming out of the maintenance to either the train manufacturer or another private firm is the best option then do so but please, please, please make sure that the agreement is put together by people who actually understand contract management. Obviously if maintenance can be done cost effectively by existing depot teams then stick with them.

Re: 'Hogwash' - an interesting phrase ...
In "The Lighter Side" [377025/32233/30]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 07:34, 14th July 2026
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
FYI

Hogwash means nonsense, foolish talk, or ridiculous ideas.
Its origin traces back to the mid-15th century as a literal compound of "hog" and "wash". It originally referred to the slops, kitchen scraps, and refuse given to pigs.
Over time, the term evolved significantly:
1600s: The term was extended to mean cheap, poor-quality liquor (because it was barely better than pig slop).
Late 1700s: It was used to describe bad writing or manuscripts.
1800s: It gained its modern figurative meaning of ridiculous or worthless talk, famously appearing in the writings of Mark Twain.

(I assume the above has at least a semblance of accuracy about it).

Re: Current service - fit for purpose? - an example
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377022/32231/18]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 23:33, 13th July 2026
 
Purely as an aside, in my personal experience, the visitor parking at Southmead Hospital in Bristol and at Weston General in Weston super Mare is excellent.

'Hogwash' - an interesting phrase ...
In "The Lighter Side" [377021/32233/30]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 23:09, 13th July 2026
 
For context, Coffee Shop member Industry Insider has used the phrase, and he and I have exchanged messages about it.  Sometimes, people give their view, apparently authoritatively, but without any foundation in fact.

I experienced an example of that this very evening, when my own daughter bemoaned that it was a pity Bristol couldn't have a tram system like Manchester (of which she has become a great fan) 'because of all the hills in Bristol'.

I coughed and spluttered over the jigsaw puzzle I was working on and engaged her in a lively debate, explaining how Bristol used to have an excellent tram system - including Park Street - which was only stopped when the Luftwaffe took out the electricity generating station on Counterslip in 1941.

She acknowledged that I was right.  So much for 'hogwash'.

CfN. 

Re: Andy Burnham elected to parliament, with a strong transport reputation
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [377020/32149/40]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:32, 13th July 2026
 
It's become a formality: Andy Burnham is Prime Minister in all but name, and within a week.

From the BBC:

Andy Burnham has effectively been confirmed as the new Labour leader with 349 of the party's MPs having now nominated him to replace Sir Keir Starmer.

After a second day of nominations, the MP for Makerfield received the support of a further 27 Labour MPs - putting him on track to become prime minister on 20 July, with it now mathematically impossible for a rival to run against him.

He still requires the backing of three organisations affiliated to the Labour Party, at least two of which must be trade unions, although this is expected to be a formality.

(BBC article continues)


Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377019/31359/18]
Posted by Mark A at 22:15, 13th July 2026
 
Yes it was the Limpley Stoke bridge again!  I cycled past at midday and there were 3 Network Rail people leaning on their truck.

13th July. Apparently something's just hit a bridge between Bath Spa and Westbury, disruption expected until 17:45. It can't be the B3108 bridge at Limpley Stoke though... or can it...

Mark

Weve been informed that a vehicle has struck a bridge in the Freshford area. The bridge will have to be examined to make sure it's safe and any debris cleared.

It could be a boat on the canal - Avoncliff or Dundas aqueducts, or a canoe beneath the bridge over the River Avon.  But somehow I would vote for Limpley Stoke rather than any of those three, even though it is not confirmed to be a road vehicle.

Spoiler alert: it was the bridge at Limpley Stoke.

Mark

https://www.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/news/26275694.live-a36-closed-gwr-trains-cancelled-crash/

Re: Current service - fit for purpose? - an example
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377018/32231/18]
Posted by wiltshirebloke at 22:14, 13th July 2026
 
... or you could have used the Park & Ride on the edge of Wroughton ...... oh wait ...

Re: Current service - fit for purpose? - an example
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377017/32231/18]
Posted by Clan Line at 19:22, 13th July 2026
 
The other thing to factor in is finding a parking space at the hospital.  I’ve know it take people 20-30 mins driving round looking for a space - even on a Sunday. 

I used to live in the GWH "catchment" area - when it was being built I can clearly remember reading that the car parking at the new (green field !!) site would deliberately be inadequate "to encourage people to use public transport". The so-called planners clearly believed that all future patients of the GWH lived within walking distance of a frequent direct bus to the hospital !!
I also remember reading, when it opened, that staff were going in early and eating their "breakfast" in their cars, just to get a parking space.

I lived on the A4 between Calne and Marlborough, I can't remember what buses we had, if any - one per day.........per haps. There was only one feasible way to get to GWH - drive !!!
 
Oh .................and these same people also forgot that the RAF was closing its hospital at Wroughton and that all the NHS patients using that excellent hospital would soon be dumped on the GWH. (A considerable portion of the kids in my village school were born at Wroughton)

Re: Buying tickets via the GWR web site: issue with railcards
In "Fare's Fair" [377016/32232/4]
Posted by grahame at 18:52, 13th July 2026
 
I have had this in the past. I've ended up just going through the procedure to buy one ticket twice.

My gripe with the site is that it insists I should register as a customer with them before proceeding to buy. I complained to GWR and was told that they were aware of this and looking into it. I am afraid I just resent having to register with any vendor for casual purchases, and it's worse when it is what seems to be effectively a monopoly supplier. Even Amazon (that I have reservations about using having regard to their adverse effect on other retail businesses) seem to have no problem allowing you to "sign in as a guest". 

The change of the underlying web site / engine a few months ago has certainly removed a number of facilities that were useful, or made them harder to find.    A move from a useful site to one that's functional for straightforward use.

Re: Current service - fit for purpose? - an example
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377015/32231/18]
Posted by grahame at 18:49, 13th July 2026
 
The other thing to factor in is finding a parking space at the hospital.  I’ve know it take people 20-30 mins driving round looking for a space - even on a Sunday. 

There seemed no problem yesterday.   Quite the opposite at Coate Water; everyone seemed to be driving there car park packed with cars in all places they should be and some they should not have been, and a field below the dam taken over as extra parking.   There was hardly anyone on walk up from the public road, and as I walked on to the Old Town there were lots of cars, but a bicycle lane with no bicycles and a footpath on which I was the only pedestrian (but plenty of people parked their cars)

Re: Nationalised operation maybe - but who OWNS the trains?
In "Across the West" [377014/32220/26]
Posted by ellendune at 18:34, 13th July 2026
 

The former Thames Train services from Bristol to Oxford were withdrawn (2004) because of "overcrowding on the tracks" but I say that in quotes because it looked like an excuse to move passengers onto less convenient, but more profitable operations still running on the same lines. 

snip

It should be noted that rail line capacity for passenger trains has changed over the years.  In our area, the demise of the coal industry and closure of Didcot power station has resulted in a significant increase in train paths available from South Wales through the Severn Tunnel to Swindon and Didcot, but the growth of long distance freight from Southampton to the Midlands and north, and stone traffic from Somerset headed east and north east has to some extent counterbalanced that; it has certainly added pressure in some places like on the capacity-limited Trowbridge to Chippenham line.  A part of this equation is the different characteristics of different train types - slow old coal wagons mixed with high speed trains lead to significant losses of capacity when one type followed the other.  These days the performances differ but less dramaically.


I recently read that if the Bristol Oxford service became hourly, then the section from Swindon to Didcot would be full. 

 
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